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Mike Croley 02-14-2014 12:08 PM

Re: VP to Sunoco reference
 
There haven't been very many race fuels submitted for NHRA approval by any of the manufacturers. Renegade makes several, but they aren't on the approved list as they weren't submitted..
For 8:1 you might want to stay with 93 octane street gas, Shell or Chevron.

Mike Croley 02-14-2014 03:57 PM

Re: VP to Sunoco reference
 
For crossover of race fuels, here's some numbers.

Sunoco 110 Motor Octane 106 Specific gravity .729
VP 110 Motor Octane 107 Specific gravity .720 to .730
Renegade 110 Motor Octane 108 Specific gravity .718

Sunoco 112 Motor Octane 109 Specific gravity .715
VP C-12 Motor Octane 108 Specific gravity .717
Renegade 112 Motor Octane 109 Specific gravity .718

VP C-16 Motor Octane 117 Specific gravity .735
Renegade 120 Motor Octane 120 Specific gravity .710

njk53 02-14-2014 04:05 PM

Re: VP to Sunoco reference
 
NHRA won't let you use pump 93 octane.

Mike Croley 02-14-2014 04:08 PM

Re: VP to Sunoco reference
 
To tune for a different brand of race gas here are some basic rules of thumb,
A change in Specific Gravity of 0.010 requires a change of 1 jet size. That's for leaded racing gasoline. Switching to or from an oxygenated race gas typically requires a change of 3 or 4 jet sizes.

Mike Croley 02-14-2014 04:14 PM

Re: VP to Sunoco reference
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by njk53 (Post 420636)
NHRA won't let you use pump 93 octane.

No, they don't. Way too many variables among manufacturers for consistent tech. Most racers use a quality 110, but a number of championships have been won with very high octane leaded race gas. The burn rate seems to work very well in some lower CR engine combinations.

Dave Noll 02-14-2014 04:17 PM

Re: VP to Sunoco reference
 
As for NHRA approved leaded fuels, C-11 comes in @ 104, & something called "sportsman" comes in @ 107. I copied this from their website for the 11 ...... Recommended for CRs up to 12:1 with restrictor plates and standard flow heads. Anticipate significant HP and torque increases. Used in NHRA Stock and Super Stock.

Dave Ribeiro 02-14-2014 05:29 PM

Re: VP to Sunoco reference
 
Mike,

Any chance you or some other company could get a 93-95 octane approved for NHRA/IHRA ??? There 's plenty of cars that would use it, we are now wasting money on gas that doesn't work with our combo's ??? Just a thought?
We don't need all that octane & it actually hurts our combo's ? Thanks..

Mike Croley 02-14-2014 06:23 PM

Re: VP to Sunoco reference
 
Yes, there's a very good chance. But the approval process only happens once per season so we'll shoot for next year. Meanwhile, if you aren't running a national series, check the web sites for race fuel that is a better fit for your combination. Renegade lists several for low compression race engines.

mopacltd 02-15-2014 12:49 PM

Re: VP to Sunoco reference
 
Is the reference chart referring to the Evan Knoll Torco Fuel or the Arizona Torco Fuel?
I have been told that Renegade is the old Evan Knoll Torco blend and specs.

Rat Raceway 02-15-2014 01:09 PM

Re: VP to Sunoco reference
 
Has anyone here switch from VP to Renegade?

Good, bad or the same?


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