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James the 5.4 has four valves per cylinder, the 281 has three valves

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James

Bigger piston.??

Would you mind explaining.

And you are right I will have to get another combo one that they choose. (Ford)

Jim D'Amore

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Stepping out of the shadows - I've been following this thread and you've made some interesting points. Your primary question of why a combination was offered, accepted, and then removed by Ford is a good one. But as someone who's been around racing since the 1960's, you went astray with what I quoted.


Though it has always been up to the individual racer, Stock and Super Stock always seemed to be a question of who were the best engineers. Somewhere along the line the classes morphed into an equal opportunity stance - the same that drove me away from NASCAR.


If your favorite manufacturer chooses a different path than the others, that's on them. If it's the cubes that matter they had the chance to compete equally and chose not to. It bothers me that in today's world it's acceptable to ask for special treatment when your stuff is not on the same level as the competition.

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Dan,


Thank you for your reply, point taken. I am not asking for any special treatment. In fact I don't own an 08,10, or 12 Cobra Jet I am simply asking a question as to why they would take out the combination that was already legal and approved. My statement you quoted was simply for comparison sake. Even with the bigger 4.0L blower, it's been proven these cars (08,10, 12 CJ) in Super Stock trim can only run 8.30's. Just look at Nitro Joe's stats.


Jim D'Amore

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Oh really?!

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Oh my, now that's a whopper right there.




EDIT: Treed by Brett, exactly who I had in mind. :D

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Good evening Brett

Yes you have one fast hot rod I was there when you went 7:80s

Definitely not a fair comparison you are super stock to the maximum... you have almost twice to tire a trans brake so you can leave with full boost bigger camshafts ported cylinder heads extremely expensive valve train and hand fabricated intake manifold both upper and lower and everything else super stock allows you. Ok so now you moved to what we would have to run Factory lift camshafts Factory intake manifold Factory non ported cylinder heads Factory valve train no trans brake and a little teeny tiny Tire and there you have your 8:20 to 8:30

Trust me I would love to run your combination in The Showdown it would take a lot to try to manage it on a small Tire.

Jim D'Amore

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That first post made the water deep in here to begin with it was so untrue.



Then came this about a combination that no one runs in Stock Eliminator, so also untrue. Situation worsens, no land in sight anywhere.





But now, now we're swimming in the Marianas Trench.


I still don't see how this thread can do anything positive for you Jim, but at least tell the truth.

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kdanner,


2014 NA Cobra Jet coyote in NHRA competition trim ran 9.33
Do you of another NA Cobra Jet running these times? Factory PCM


2008 Stock eliminator 5.4L 2.3L SC 8.24@167 Factory PCM


2010 FGT SS 5.4L 2.3L SC 8.14@167 Factory PCM


We've held 5 national records with factory PCM's


Combine with all our customers cars running factory PCM's 63 class Wally's and a bunch of #1 qualifiers, I don't even know how many I've lost count.


As far as my comment about money spent on R&D of the 5.4L 4.0L combination I guess I didn't mean to be as specific on the 4.0L but just the 5.4L in general. Sorry


What I meant by fair comparison is that for the showdown class you can not run Super Stock trim, you have to run stock eliminator trim. In stock eliminator trim I don't see the 5.4L 4.0L combination going faster than 8.30's, 8.20's at best.


How much experience do you have in building and racing the 5.4L motors? What do you know that I don't that the 5.4L 4.0L in Stock Eliminator trim can go 7.80's? Please share your experience about that, because the 5.4L 4.0L is legal for Stock eliminator.


I'm trying to keep this constructive, please do the same.

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If it is such a bad combination, why would anyone want to build it? Especially when it is now legal to run the 302/2.9 combination which has already performed better than the 5.4/4.0 examples that you have given.