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For those who came later>

Some time in the late 80's ,the roll bar rule for brackets was 11.99.
For Stockers, it was down thru J & K
Gen 3 305 cars started to get popular, the hp factors were pretty low, and some could run in the high 11's in L, M, N, etc.
Guys would show up for test and tune with no bar, by the Stock rules and the local bracket tech guys didn't know how to handle this. The bracket guys would complain because they needed a bar in the 11's.
NHRA, instead of using the ET as a guide, just jumped in and added L&M roll bars to the rule book .

Not long after, the bracket roll bar requirement went down to 11.49.
The 305's got hp added to where they could run F&G and run pretty close to, or in the 10's.
I brought up this inconsistency to Bruce, several years ago. He listened and said he would bring it up, but nothing ever happened with it.

So now we have M cars at Denver in the high 13's that require a roll bar but 11.50 bracket cars that don't.

I know we lost a few good class racers because of inconsistencies like this.
We probably lost a few beginners too. But does NHRA care,...Nah

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It's great that new stuff is getting added...but this. I did a little digging out of curiosity...and the cheapest used example I found was $34k with 90k miles. I guess you could go the Copart route...but you'd have to be careful watching for frame damage, parts availability, etc.

So, I'm not sure who's going to build one of these? I feel like it's going to be a one-off case. $34k could buy a pretty nice turn key car that doesn't need completely gone through.

And I agree on the roll bar requirements. I just put a full cage in a car last Summer, that might run 10.0's at best because of this. What this comes down to is laziness on the sanctioning body's behalf to police ET's. I don't see how it could be that hard to put a flag in the timing system if a car is only certified to 11.50, 10.00, 8.50 etc. and runs under that.

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The first proto build of the Drag Pak had a leaf spring suspension. That got thrown out for a rear suspension, framing and a very busy rollage that cost 20 times the labor to build and cost. Why, so the cars could go 7s. Sound inexpensive to me, right? I happen to have one I built all by myself. Labor intensive for the normal person with good skills.I have a stick Laying next to it. I haven't had the time to get back to the project. I have built 3-4 cars in the mean time. Those builds are late 60 cars. Easy peasy! Just need to make those straight again. Someone missed the stock term or at least stock is not 100,000.00 cars to start with.

Paul

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How hard/expensive is it to add a roll bar/cage to a Stocker ?

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I recommend going on sites like CoPart and look for a "flood car". I paid way under $$$ on my old LS1 Camaro and my 2019 Challenger. There is nothing on the wiring, brakes or fuel systems that you would use and the body may have been wet. but all the essential parts are there and do not have extensive body damage. Dig an old Camaro out of a field and you will have to replace all the body parts, much $$$ and 5 years in body shop hell. Just a suggestion. Dyno

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Piece of cake in a newer challenger..

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Good interview, Bobby, Gump.
There was an issue that was not covered but was brought up here. But, seeing I don't race with NHRA ,it's not up to me to police these matters.
The way I see it is that those issues that are a bit sketchy will be good to go by the time Indy comes around.
Once we see what class it falls in , I'm sure the other guys will be all over it. ;-)

Good luck with the Toyo, Gump. Nice job.

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Nice job, looks as though it needs carpet ….

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Trans problem solved as "corporate trans" and NHRA accepted adapters permitted per rule book under Stock/Trans.-- definitely a "paper one of car" in my opinion maybe belongs in SS but really pushing the rules here on Stock---FED 387