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Nmbr1GMfan 05-04-2019 06:35 PM

Re: H-I-J '76 Nova re-fit.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dissident (Post 587962)
Todd, et al,

Trivial input perhaps, albeit solidly scientific in analysis.;)


The oil goes in the opposite direction of vehicle acceleration, so the oil return heads to the rear very naturally. So does the oil in the sump (pan).
The angle of the liquid is a function of the acceleration in g.:cool:
1g = 45deg liquid angle


60ft times reference is something interesting to look at.:eek: Particularly where the oil pickup is placed in a drag racing vehicle!

1.4sec = 62.28deg liquid angle
1.5sec = 58.9deg liquid angle
1.6sec = 55.54deg liquid angle


All these things and more were included in the paper I sent to you a while back. These things apply to all liquids in the vehicle, including the fuel system.


Regards,
HB2:)

As always an extremely enlightening post.

Nmbr1GMfan 05-04-2019 07:45 PM

Re: H-I-J '76 Nova re-fit.
 
I'm going to break these next posts up so I can better explain what i'm trying to learn, with that said I really appreciate everyones input and advice during this build. I know I haven't taken all advice because well, I just kinda do it my way in the end, thanks everyone for helping a newb. As a recap: This engine ran fine for for a long time for Bill.... I believe the bearing failure was caused by my lifter choice, completely my fault due to inexperience. I had a stock volume pump and a massive amount of oil at the rocker, add the EDM holes AND grooved lifter bores. Now this worked below 5000-5500 rpm, but as soon as we started 6000+ rpm it went to hell quickly, the dyno never showed a dip in oil pressure so I guess the end of the line (rods) just couldn't get the needed volume. I bought a new +10% volume pump but in the end used the stock volume. The first two pictures illustrate two different lifters, the ones that I put in it, Bullet branded with a 70K hole in the pushrod cup and a little puck thing under the cup. The third photo is a Trend lifter, it has no little puck thing and in the videos I'll post later you'll see I bought pushrod cups with different sized oiling holes.
Bullet:
https://i.imgur.com/WmrqxmH.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/5I9C0e8.jpg
Trend:
https://i.imgur.com/dPauSjI.jpg

Nmbr1GMfan 05-04-2019 08:19 PM

Re: H-I-J '76 Nova re-fit.
 
In this first video you'll see differences in lifters and how they respond flow wise to the engine being primed. I use a distributor with o-rings but this priming tool does not, I just didn't want to take the time to grove and o-ring the tool for comparison. I did these tests so I could get a better understanding of why we had issues. I hope some finds this useful, maybe even keeps someone from making the same mistakes I have. Also as an edit here, I'll be checking oil pressure at the front and rear of the block on the dyno as well as working on a fix for that pressure differental.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ca6W...GK5m9g&index=2

Nmbr1GMfan 05-04-2019 08:37 PM

Re: H-I-J '76 Nova re-fit.
 
In the second video I wanted to check the difference between valley vents installed and removed. You'll have to go back and look at the difference between the two videos, to me it seemed nearly identical as far as the standing oil in the valley. I also believe without the three lifters heavilly oiling the rockers plus the o-ringed distributor body should dry the valley up even more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZeL-auU3mI

HP HUNTER 05-04-2019 09:56 PM

Re: H-I-J '76 Nova re-fit.
 
Tell the people what happens when you run a Trend lifter with nothing in it.

Nmbr1GMfan 05-04-2019 11:26 PM

Re: H-I-J '76 Nova re-fit.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by HP HUNTER (Post 587987)
Tell the people what happens when you run a Trend lifter with nothing in it.

You need 2" longer pushrods :D:D:D

Rich Biebel 05-05-2019 07:52 AM

Re: H-I-J '76 Nova re-fit.
 
With the crank not turning your oil system and flow test is not accurate. But what your doing is good just to see what’s going on in the valley as to the oil drain back.

You really don’t need a lot of oil up in the heads in a drag race engine.

Kenny McCoy 05-05-2019 11:47 AM

Re: H-I-J '76 Nova re-fit.
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich Biebel (Post 587992)
With the crank not turning your oil system and flow test is not accurate. But what your doing is good just to see what’s going on in the valley as to the oil drain back.

You really don’t need a lot of oil up in the heads in a drag race engine.


End of your first video cylinder 2 with .014 puck drill running on high that would be the most oil I would let go up top. Oil in the valley never worried about it, clicked motor off at the stripe.

Nmbr1GMfan 05-10-2019 08:46 AM

Re: H-I-J '76 Nova re-fit.
 
They say practice makes perfect...
https://i.imgur.com/j23LvsVh.jpg

Tim H 05-10-2019 02:03 PM

Re: H-I-J '76 Nova re-fit.
 
I am a bit alarmed, was hoping to see next pictures of engine installed back in the Nova. Was this a planned tear down to double check everything ?


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