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GTX JOHN 10-13-2020 12:09 PM

Re: stockers
 
You can buy a piston from any manufacture = Tell them it is for superstock or a bracket car maybe some other non stock eliminator use. Then lazer cut the NHRA approval on it yourself - Is that your violation and did you not mislead the manufacturer of your purpose?

SSDiv6 10-13-2020 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by GTX JOHN (Post 625708)
You can buy a piston from any manufacture = Tell them it is for superstock or a bracket car maybe some other non stock eliminator use. Then lazer cut the NHRA approval on it yourself - Is that your violation and did you not mislead the manufacturer of your purpose?

John,

I believe that could be the scenario. However, the question is if they would admit they did it or blame the piston manufacturer and give them a black eye? It is a can of worms! If it keeps happening, I can see NHRA allowing any ring package and doing away with something else to inspect.

Jon Sarrett 10-13-2020 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by doglover44 (Post 625706)
When did that all happen ?

The Duster incident happened last year at the Joilet points meet. He was the D3 rep in stock and could hardly run the index (post teardown) after going consistently .80-.90 under for years. I've been through many teardowns and NEVER lost 8 tenths or more.

jmantle 10-13-2020 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by James Perrone (Post 625395)
And the guy accuses people of Obvious cheating. Races .... a Pacer
Really ?So Captain obvious what do you see

I'll give you an example, a few years back a friend of mine was proudly showing me his cylinder heads that he'd payed big bucks to have done by a "professional". The crossover passages were filled right into the port and the area had been nicely blended in to look like the crossover never existed. Legal? Not if you read the rulebook but I know some racers that never do. Deliberately cheating, probably not.

As far as my Pacer goes, if you want to see inside the engine I'll tear it apart just for you any time you want.

Jim Mantle V/SA 6632

bykr 10-13-2020 02:01 PM

Re: stockers
 
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Originally Posted by SSDiv6 (Post 625719)
John,

I believe that could be the scenario. However, the question is if they would admit they did it or blame the piston manufacturer and give them a black eye? It is a can of worms! If it keeps happening, I can see NHRA allowing any ring package and doing away with something else to inspect.

Especially now with gas ported rings that are essentially legal.

Mark Yacavone 10-13-2020 02:17 PM

Re: stockers
 
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Originally Posted by SSDiv6 (Post 625719)
John,

I believe that could be the scenario. However, the question is if they would admit they did it or blame the piston manufacturer and give them a black eye? It is a can of worms! If it keeps happening, I can see NHRA allowing any ring package and doing away with something else to inspect.

Joe, Of course, the ring height can be measured with the head off, so what 's NHRA's problem with checking it?
If they go that route, then REAL replacement Stock pistons are at even more of a disadvantage. Another shot at the budget racer, and another rule revision rammed through by the cheaters.
So then what happens? Under weight pistons and rods? Knife edged cranks?
Where does it end?

SSDiv6 10-13-2020 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone (Post 625727)
Joe, Of course, the ring height can be measured with the head off, so what 's NHRA's problem with checking it?
If they go that route, then REAL replacement Stock pistons are at even more of a disadvantage. Another shot at the budget racer, and another rule revision rammed through by the cheaters.
So then what happens? Under weight pistons and rods? Knife edged cranks?
Where does it end?

Fully agree with you Mark! it can be checked easily. I have not seen anyone thrown out by illegal pistons that has been made public by NHRA.

I just pointed to a plausible aftermath with everything that has taken place in the past.

SSDiv6 10-13-2020 03:44 PM

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Originally Posted by bykr (Post 625724)
Especially now with gas ported rings that are essentially legal.

Tim,

Thin piston rings with spacers have been allowed for a long time. There are lots of piston ring designs that can achieve the same as the gas ported rings. At the end of the day, it is having the ring hone finish, a round bore and compatible rings that make the power.

Cbrinson47 10-17-2020 10:03 AM

Re: stockers
 
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Originally Posted by bykr (Post 625579)
I wonder with the pushing of limits in Stock and the difficulty with tech inspections, would NHRA ever fold Stock into Super Stock?

Stock is ALMOST a S/S class now !

Carguy49 10-17-2020 11:37 AM

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Without tech and integrity of the racers Stock is long gone.

I have heard that if you build a stocker strictly by the rule book, you are behind the eight ball. I know there are some exceptions, but just sayin'. I don't fully understand but that's what I heard, a few years ago.


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