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Casey Miles 05-09-2016 03:24 PM
Re: Qualifying with no AHFS
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ALMACK (Post 503028)
Nobody is going to build a new car with a NHRA rating factored 100 hp higher than the factory hp.

Not going to happen.

JMO
So in stead of being able to run 1.5 under, with the 100 HP added, they could only go .50 under. I could care less if the big 3 make their race cars or not. If they didn't, Stock would be a backward category again, don't have to spend 100 k to be competive. One row of Copo at Indy last year was at least $1.2 million dollars of value. People are still going to purchase them. But buying one of those purpose built cars shouldn't send you to the top of qualifying sheets. They should have to pay their dues just like the older cars.

Casey Miles

GUMP 05-09-2016 03:30 PM
Re: Qualifying with no AHFS
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Casey Miles (Post 503038)
So in stead of being able to run 1.5 under, with the 100 HP added, they could only go .50 under. I could care less if the big 3 make their race cars or not. If they didn't, Stock would be a backward category again, don't have to spend 100 k to be competive. One row of Copo at Indy last year was at least $1.2 million dollars of value. People are still going to purchase them. But buying one of those purpose built cars shouldn't send you to the top of qualifying sheets. They should have to pay their dues just like the older cars
Dude, you don't have a clue!

ALMACK 05-09-2016 03:35 PM
Re: Qualifying with no AHFS
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Casey Miles (Post 503038)
So in stead of being able to run 1.5 under, with the 100 HP added, they could only go .50 under. I could care less if the big 3 make their race cars or not. If they didn't, Stock would be a backward category again, don't have to spend 100 k to be competive. One row of Copo at Indy last year was at least $1.2 million dollars of value. People are still going to purchase them. But buying one of those purpose built cars shouldn't send you to the top of qualifying sheets. They should have to pay their dues just like the older cars.

Casey Miles
Casey:
I am only talking about factory production line ( street ) cars with VINs.

None of what I have commented on in my posts have anything to do with the Factory Stock cars. ( COPO, DP, CJ )

Please do not get the 2 types of Stockers confused.

Todd Hoven 05-09-2016 03:39 PM
Re: Qualifying with no AHFS
 
So spending nothing on your car as well as no time and showing up should give you the same chance as the guys who do?

That is some pretty slanted logic there.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Casey Miles (Post 503038)
So in stead of being able to run 1.5 under, with the 100 HP added, they could only go .50 under. I could care less if the big 3 make their race cars or not. If they didn't, Stock would be a backward category again, don't have to spend 100 k to be competive. One row of Copo at Indy last year was at least $1.2 million dollars of value. People are still going to purchase them. But buying one of those purpose built cars shouldn't send you to the top of qualifying sheets. They should have to pay their dues just like the older cars.

Casey Miles

Casey Miles 05-09-2016 04:25 PM
Re: Qualifying with no AHFS
 
Stock is supposed to be an entry-level catagory, and spending money shouldn't be the barometer on how your car performs. Stock has been corrupted by after market influencs. Btw, I've been racing the same car for over 40 years and it's had a factor on even before I started racing it.

Casey Miles 05-09-2016 04:36 PM
Re: Qualifying with no AHFS
 
Slanted logic is having 160 + mph racing sub 100 mph cars. How is NHRA going to explain that a car with not so much as a roll bar gets slammed by a car going too fast as a stock car. I hope it never happens, but it's a possibility!

Casey Miles

Ed Wright 05-09-2016 04:47 PM
Re: Qualifying with no AHFS
 
ET brackets is entry level. Stock is not.

James Perrone 05-09-2016 04:52 PM
Re: Qualifying with no AHFS
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ed Wright (Post 503047)
ET brackets is entry level. Stock is not.
Correct. Come on Casey I know you for some time. You wouldn't spend it if you had it anyway lol. Entry level for stock is under $20000 for a decent car. And a bracket car cost $$$$$$$.

Andrew Hill 05-09-2016 05:22 PM
Re: Qualifying with no AHFS
 
Who would anyone build a factory rated street combination when there are so many under-rated CJ/DP/COPO (and de-rated street Challengers....) combinations to choose from? Some of them cost a significant amount more money to build, but not all of them.

One specific combo I see mentioned here is the 2010 Camaro rated at 400hp. For comparison, the 1999-02 LS1 Camaro/Firebird is rated at 382, and while it's definitely not a killer combo like it used to be, it looks like two of them qualified at .90+ under at Indy this year.

The '10 engine has 30 more cubic inches, slightly bigger valves, and similar other specs according to the guide. Maybe I'm off base here, but shouldn't that be capable of making 30 hp more than an LS1?

Yes, you'd have to build a good, well sorted car to be competitive, but what's wrong with that?

Casey Miles 05-09-2016 05:36 PM
Re: Qualifying with no AHFS
 
James, see you at Englishtown


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