Re: Another low car count?
 

TK,
You are wasting your breath with these "Classy Racers". Most of these guys are so haredheaded they won't run IHRA races because Cratemoter Stockers are not real stockers.

Definition of Stock/Super Stock:
PERFORMANCE BASED DIAL-IN TYPE RACING. Similar to another type of racing called "BRACKET RACING" Differences include: More Rules, Heads up runs, Egos and attitudes.

That being said I like heads up runs
Gotta go installing a Throttle Stop on my dragster so I can slow down to run 175 mph.
Chip JOhnson

Re: Another low car count?
 

Tree and Chip you are ok, we have run super stock for 6 years now and have never had a heads up race, just played the ladder right or got lucky. But with Justins bracket racing background we have manage to win quite a few National and divsional events.
As a matter of fact I would bet the last 2 super stock national champions had no heads up either but the were able to bracket race good enough to be World Champions.

With that being said, the chance of a heads-up race makes it fun trying to make our cars quick enough so that we do not embarass ourself, and it also makes it fun durning qual. to work out the ladder.
Chris

Re: Another low car count?
 

Here's one analogy you might understand:
Most everybody likes ice cream. You REALLY like plain vanilla and others REALLY like vanilla with chocolate chips, even though it's more expensive, sometimes we don't have the money and have to save-up for it and we complain about it. (That's human nature.) But don't keep reminding us about "plain vanilla" and how difficult "chocolate chips" are to get when we know what other flavors are available. Some things are just worth it.

I like both! :)

Re: Another low car count?
 

different strokes for those of us who cant and dont even want to afford chocolate chip well just have to settle for plain vanilla. my ego is not driven by speed. I happen to enjoy having to cut a good light and drive the finish line.
heads up runs for guys with really fast cars just basically amounts to a no lose time trial. youll have yours and theyll have theirs and ill have mine and together well be fine. It takes different strokes to move the world.

Re: Another low car count?
 

We have to do everything a bracket racer does, plus have to be able to make one fast within the rules. You guys just have to do part of what we do. Heads ups aren't that common. If you can't build a fast one you need to stick to bracket racing.


I think there is a bracket racing section here.

Re: Another low car count?
 

Exactly. As long as everyone respects and understands everyone elses decisions without trying to impose their way, there won't be a problem. We know what options are available.

For some people, like class racers, the extra level of difficulty can be fun and appealing. But those who do also have to accept the consequenses. It's challenging ones self. It starts out having to run the index - the minimum performance level for a class. It's a greater or different sense of competition. Then the amount of time and money needed becomes a factor. That's why the new cars and overall economy are such hot topics. Class racers will deal with it as well as they can. And some will continue to bracket race once in a while also.

Re: Another low car count?
 

Not every heads-up run is a -1. 20 under car vs a .40 under car, and "you don't race'em on paper". Numerous heads-up runs have surprising results. I've beaten guys that had me covered .30 on paper, and gotten beaten by .20 by guys that had me covered by .80.... Whom years later after improving my own program, I could've beaten. Performance is an enjoyable personal challenge above and beyond package racing.

Re: Another low car count?
 

i appear to have been well misunderstood. s/sst is awesome running fast under certain rules and all that is awesome. all that i was doing was suggesting a way to IMPROVE CAR COUNTS. people are always gonna be able to afford to bracket race. quite a financial step up to be competitive in s/sst. GOOD LUCK.