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Larry Hill 08-16-2015 12:44 PM

Re: Indy
 
It looks like 60 of the "new" (2008-up) will take almost half of the field of 128. The rest of us will asking ourselves, " Is my car one of the 68 fastest out of the rest of the field (read cars made before 2008) of 140 cars. This F/X stuff without AHFS is still way wrong!!!!


If the F/X cars are going to be in the eliminator the "Q" and "E" should be used for AHFS. If the F/X cars only run there race and not the eliminator no AHFS. No free lunches.


When was the last time that anyone qualified in the top four at a race where F/X cars ran, I can't think of anyone. The top four on the sheet will get all the byes if they can get there. As it is now the rest of the cars are locked out of all the bye rounds, does not seem fair and equitable to the rest of us.

ALMACK 08-16-2015 03:13 PM

Re: Indy
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Larry Hill (Post 479380)
It looks like 60 of the "new" (2008-up) will take almost half of the field of 128. The rest of us will asking ourselves, " Is my car one of the 68 fastest out of the rest of the field (read cars made before 2008) of 140 cars. This F/X stuff without AHFS is still way wrong!!!!


If the F/X cars are going to be in the eliminator the "Q" and "E" should be used for AHFS. If the F/X cars only run there race and not the eliminator no AHFS. No free lunches.


When was the last time that anyone qualified in the top four at a race where F/X cars ran, I can't think of anyone. The top four on the sheet will get all the byes if they can get there. As it is now the rest of the cars are locked out of all the bye rounds, does not seem fair and equitable to the rest of us.

Good point.

Or.....just turn off the AHFS completely for this race and it will be fair to all Stock racers.

Then Class run-offs will really get exciting !

G Schenck 08-16-2015 04:16 PM

Re: Indy
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Larry Hill (Post 479380)
It looks like 60 of the "new" (2008-up) will take almost half of the field of 128. The rest of us will asking ourselves, " Is my car one of the 68 fastest out of the rest of the field (read cars


When was the last time that anyone qualified in the top four at a race where F/X cars ran, I can't think of anyone. The top four on the sheet will get all the byes if they can get there. As it is now the rest of the cars are locked out of all the bye rounds, does not seem fair and equitable to the rest of us.

Last year at Indy, that memory is slipping

Bruce Noland 08-16-2015 04:40 PM

Re: Indy
 
Sure, a little oddball combination will get to the top of the sheet from time to time. Larry's point is still valid. The one bright spot for the older cars is that the new cars may be working their way back down. Last year there were 69 of them at Indy. They may manage to surpass that number this year. But it won't be by a bunch. Glen Gray worked on trying to level the playing field for Indy but it appears he ran into some strong corporate resistance. nhra is an outfit that knows no shame so don't expect anything approaching equity out of them.

Lyn Smith 08-16-2015 05:00 PM

Re: Indy
 
I was talking to my Division Director at the St Louis points race, and he told me the Sportsmen racers committee voted unanimously to keep the Indy Stock field at 128 cars.He showed me the email he was sent concerning their decision.

Bruce Noland 08-16-2015 05:38 PM

Re: Indy
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Lyn Smith (Post 479415)
I was talking to my Division Director at the St Louis points race, and he told me the Sportsmen racers committee voted unanimously to keep the Indy Stock field at 128 cars.He showed me the email he was sent concerning their decision.

lol! They only use the Sportsman committee votes when it suits their agenda.

Larry Hill 08-17-2015 07:40 AM

Re: Indy
 
I think the field should be 128, class winners and the rest field filled by the fastest class losers. I believe that will bring the newer combos in line with older cars quicker. Everyone wants to be in the "Show" and will run the cars hard enough to get in the eliminator, cause sitting on the outside and looking in is really $***$.


If the rest of us have to live by the 1.20 under rule why not the F/X cars?


I enjoy the F/X show, it looks to be a fan favorite, now if they,NHRA, would just make it palatable to the rest of the eliminator.

Rat Raceway 08-17-2015 11:17 AM

Re: Indy
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Larry Hill (Post 479380)
It looks like 60 of the "new" (2008-up) will take almost half of the field of 128. The rest of us will asking ourselves, " Is my car one of the 68 fastest out of the rest of the field (read cars made before 2008) of 140 cars. This F/X stuff without AHFS is still way wrong!!!!


If the F/X cars are going to be in the eliminator the "Q" and "E" should be used for AHFS. If the F/X cars only run there race and not the eliminator no AHFS. No free lunches.


When was the last time that anyone qualified in the top four at a race where F/X cars ran, I can't think of anyone. The top four on the sheet will get all the byes if they can get there. As it is now the rest of the cars are locked out of all the bye rounds, does not seem fair and equitable to the rest of us.


Why do people keep putting all the new cars into the same group?

Based off last year there were 30 Shootout cars.

http://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCSt...r2014#indextop

7 that didn't make the cut for the eliminator. So 23 cars didn't have to live by the AHFS.

Based off that... It's 105 of the fastest old cars not 68.
There are a good number of cars on this years list that are not FS/X, XX cars.

FS/X and FS/XX cars will be the ones eating up spots and not have to play by the rules.

ALL OTHER FS cars have to live and play by the normal AHFS rules...

Bruce Noland 08-17-2015 01:55 PM

Re: Indy
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rat Raceway (Post 479464)
Why do people keep putting all the new cars into the same group?

Based off last year there were 30 Shootout cars.

http://www.dragracecentral.com/DRCSt...r2014#indextop

7 that didn't make the cut for the eliminator. So 23 cars didn't have to live by the AHFS.

Based off that... It's 105 of the fastest old cars not 68.
There are a good number of cars on this years list that are not FS/X, XX cars.

FS/X and FS/XX cars will be the ones eating up spots and not have to play by the rules.

ALL OTHER FS cars have to live and play by the normal AHFS rules...

When checking last year's Stock Qualifying sheet, did you happen to notice how many of the new cars were in the top 50? Soft HP anyone??? Also it is a bunch of pig snot to allow one car to circumvent the rules much less 23.

gbur 08-17-2015 02:36 PM

Re: Indy
 
So you are treated fairly by NHRA, time to boycott and go elsewhere unless of course you enjoy the treatment you receive


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