Mineshaft facts

west coast · 11-29-2021, 11:03 PM

All mineshaft does is protect the fast combo’s. Mineshaft is not determined by the weather it is only considered mineshaft when at the conclusion of qualifying the first competitor in the bottom half of the field is -.850 seconds or faster under the class index. To prove the point is Indy the weather sucks that time of year with high temperature, humidity and low barometric pressure. If we used Indy as the rule for mineshaft then almost all the race would be considered mineshaft.
The AHFS will not work affectively with the mine shaft rule in affect. Let’s talk about the AHFS real quick. All it does is try and keep the fast combo’s all at 1 second under. If you get horsepower you get weight and only slow down a little bit and probably still can run 1 under. If you get hit several times you are now a high 90 under combo. The AHFS doesn’t destroy combo’s if running high 90 under is considered destroyed?
For the people that are complaining about not being able to run their car all out, then go to your local track for a bracket race and you can run as fast as you want without getting HP.
I think the mineshaft rule should be removed.
If NHRA were to take a vote on removing the mineshaft rule it would be gone because it only affects the fast combo’s and there are way more slow combo’s then fast ones. No brainer.
Here are some facts on how many runs were affected by the mineshaft rule.

10% of the races were mineshaft
7 out 65 races were Mineshaft
54% of all 1 second under runs were mineshaft
238 mineshaft runs out of the 435 1 second under runs
How many combo’s will not get review because of mineshaft I do not know?

So how is the AHFS supposed to work if half the runs don’t count towards it?

GUMP · 11-30-2021, 08:59 AM

I don't understand your thought process here. Do you consider yours one of the slow combinations?

I've seen where you have made some pretty fast runs in the past (1.10). I also see where your combination had a reduction at some point.

Where does your combination sit in your master plan?

Larry Hill · 11-30-2021, 09:03 AM

I think we all try to play by the rules.

Billy Nees · 11-30-2021, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Larry Hill

I think we all try to play the rules.

Larry, I "fixed" your reply! ;-)

Mike Gray · 11-30-2021, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Larry Hill

I think we all try to play by the rules.

Yep, if there were no rules we all would be .90 racing or bracket racing and it just wouldn't be as satisfying. Even though my car is still not finished (getting close) I get a lot of enjoyment out of building a car that I hope can get to 1 under. I previously built a super street car and then a super gas car, not too much worry about when building the car, just build it fast and slow it down with a stop. For my new stock eliminator car I've tried to consider the performance aspect of every decision and every nut and bolt on the car.

Larry Hill · 11-30-2021, 03:02 PM

Billy both are true.

Here in the south, yes I know we live above I-10, we are always "fixen" to do something. I'm fixen to go to town after some KFC chicken and fixins as soon as I finish fixen the car. Ya'll know I talk slow.

Rusty Davenport · 11-30-2021, 03:52 PM

For the mentally impaired senior racers........what is the perfect pass to make everyone happy in regards to protecting the combination from horsepower ?????

Adger Smith · 11-30-2021, 03:56 PM

Larry,
Here in the South??
North and South Confederacy style:
The Confederacy included the states of Texas, Arkansas, Louisiana, Tennessee, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, Florida, South Carolina, North Carolina and Virginia. Jefferson Davis was their President. Maryland, Delaware, West Virginia, Kentucky and Missouri were called Border States.
But I understand how yo Fix'in to be upset about your Southern charm and dignity being questioned by an Arkansas Boy.. LOL!
Billy did fix it....
Only our Cajun buddies live below I-10

Billy Nees · 11-30-2021, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Rusty Davenport

For the mentally impaired senior racers........what is the perfect pass to make everyone happy in regards to protecting the combination from horsepower ?????

One that has a timeslip with a W on the bottom that is fast enough to win a heads-up run but slow enough to qualify for HP welfare at the end of the season!!!
Perfect Pass!

Terry Cain · 11-30-2021, 06:38 PM

Speaking of HP Welfare. When will it be out?

11-29-2021, 11:03 PM	#1
west coast Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Rainy Washington Posts: 584 Likes: 6 Liked 143 Times in 56 Posts	Mineshaft facts All mineshaft does is protect the fast combo’s. Mineshaft is not determined by the weather it is only considered mineshaft when at the conclusion of qualifying the first competitor in the bottom half of the field is -.850 seconds or faster under the class index. To prove the point is Indy the weather sucks that time of year with high temperature, humidity and low barometric pressure. If we used Indy as the rule for mineshaft then almost all the race would be considered mineshaft. The AHFS will not work affectively with the mine shaft rule in affect. Let’s talk about the AHFS real quick. All it does is try and keep the fast combo’s all at 1 second under. If you get horsepower you get weight and only slow down a little bit and probably still can run 1 under. If you get hit several times you are now a high 90 under combo. The AHFS doesn’t destroy combo’s if running high 90 under is considered destroyed? For the people that are complaining about not being able to run their car all out, then go to your local track for a bracket race and you can run as fast as you want without getting HP. I think the mineshaft rule should be removed. If NHRA were to take a vote on removing the mineshaft rule it would be gone because it only affects the fast combo’s and there are way more slow combo’s then fast ones. No brainer. Here are some facts on how many runs were affected by the mineshaft rule. 10% of the races were mineshaft 7 out 65 races were Mineshaft 54% of all 1 second under runs were mineshaft 238 mineshaft runs out of the 435 1 second under runs How many combo’s will not get review because of mineshaft I do not know? So how is the AHFS supposed to work if half the runs don’t count towards it? __________________ James Boyce 6052 K/SA Stock National record holder 2015,2018,2 times in 2022,2023

11-30-2021, 08:59 AM	#2
GUMP VIP Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Shelby, NC Posts: 1,680 Likes: 1,763 Liked 1,767 Times in 430 Posts	Re: Mineshaft facts I don't understand your thought process here. Do you consider yours one of the slow combinations? I've seen where you have made some pretty fast runs in the past (1.10). I also see where your combination had a reduction at some point. Where does your combination sit in your master plan?

11-30-2021, 09:03 AM	#3
Larry Hill Live Reporter Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Hickory, Ky Posts: 10,445 Likes: 1,746 Liked 10,052 Times in 2,086 Posts	Re: Mineshaft facts I think we all try to play by the rules. __________________ IHM Used Parts https://ihmusedparts.com 888-821-1817

11-30-2021, 03:02 PM	#6
Larry Hill Live Reporter Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Hickory, Ky Posts: 10,445 Likes: 1,746 Liked 10,052 Times in 2,086 Posts	Re: Mineshaft facts Billy both are true. Here in the south, yes I know we live above I-10, we are always "fixen" to do something. I'm fixen to go to town after some KFC chicken and fixins as soon as I finish fixen the car. Ya'll know I talk slow. __________________ IHM Used Parts https://ihmusedparts.com 888-821-1817

11-30-2021, 03:52 PM	#7
Rusty Davenport Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Nashville N.C. Posts: 505 Likes: 4 Liked 100 Times in 26 Posts	Re: Mineshaft facts For the mentally impaired senior racers........what is the perfect pass to make everyone happy in regards to protecting the combination from horsepower ????? __________________ NHRA AND IHRA STOCK ELIMINATOR 2772

11-30-2021, 03:56 PM	#8
Adger Smith VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Texarkana Ark/TX Posts: 2,399 Likes: 494 Liked 724 Times in 280 Posts	Re: Mineshaft facts Larry, Here in the South?? North and South Confederacy style: The Confederacy included the states of Texas, Arkansas, Louisiana, Tennessee, Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, Florida, South Carolina, North Carolina and Virginia. Jefferson Davis was their President. Maryland, Delaware, West Virginia, Kentucky and Missouri were called Border States. But I understand how yo Fix'in to be upset about your Southern charm and dignity being questioned by an Arkansas Boy.. LOL! Billy did fix it.... Only our Cajun buddies live below I-10 __________________ Adger Smith (Former SS)

11-30-2021, 06:38 PM	#10
Terry Cain Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Georgetown, Indiana (close to Louisville, KY) Posts: 770 Likes: 511 Liked 225 Times in 104 Posts	Re: Mineshaft facts Speaking of HP Welfare. When will it be out? __________________ Terry Cain ???? STK tcain@twc.com