New Tech Rules

MOVEMAN · 02-15-2010, 09:17 AM

I've heard of 2 new rules for 2010! The "Locking Transmission Dipstick" rule and The "Parachute Mount Rule". The first one is pretty simple(I guess), except that it doesn't specify that the bottom of the dipstick tube(where most all leakage would come from)needs to be any type of specific seal ! I saw the list of approved ones and got the Lokar ones for my cars.
Does anyone know what the "Parachute Mount Rule Change" is?
Rich
S/C 13
Time To Move Racing
"Creating Customers For Life"

Chuck Westcott · 02-15-2010, 10:12 AM

1/2 in bolt on the mount, got me in Bradenton.

MOVEMAN · 02-15-2010, 01:47 PM

"Parachutes must have their own independent mounting with sleeved 3/8 1/2-inch
minimum steel bolts or steel pins required for all applications. Shroud line(s) mounting
brackets must be constructed of minimum .090-inch steel. Material around the holes for
the bolts/pins must be equal to or greater than the bolt/pin size."
On the 2010 rule amendments page#22 the 1/2 has a line through it as if the are now allowing a 3/8 bolt! I'm more confused now since Chuck says they got him at Bradenton for what ? Having to big of a bolt?
There is also a line through the complete last sentence in the above quote, but nothing to replace the wording?
Rich
Time To Move Racing
"Creating Customers For Life"

MOVEMAN · 02-15-2010, 03:57 PM

Just returned from S&W Racecars and was told by Scott Weney that that rule change was recinded after he fabricated a retrofit part to be able to use a 1/2" bolt on their existing cars which all have been made (forever) using a 3/8" bolt to hold the chute lead! The division told him to hold off on this and that the rule was not going to be changed! Maybe D2 should find out the correct application of the rule before making Chuck and who knows else change their cars for nothing!
Rich
S/C 13
Time To Move Racing
"Creating Customers For Life"

Chuck Westcott · 02-15-2010, 04:17 PM

In Tech they were paying particular attention to Tranny locking Dip sticks and I was scolded for a better word for my 3/8 S/S Allen Head Chute Lead Bolt, said I need to have a 1/2 Bolt for the next race which is G-Ville this week.
What is the rule ? I'm not opposed to arguing , I would like to correct before this issue comes up in tech.
They don't like being wrong !

Paul Neal · 02-15-2010, 04:28 PM

The rule before was 1/2" bolt...I think it had to be Grade 8. This year's rule required the tabs to have1/2" material around the bolt hole. That rule was later revised to a 3/8" bolt for most classes (TF, NFC, TAD, and TAFC have their own specific revision). The problem with the stainless bolt may be it's not Grade 8 (though I bet any ARP stainless bolt is as strong as a "cheap" Grade 8.
How about these new rules...
http://www.nhra.com/story/2010/2/15/...-participants/

A $1000 fine for using the wrong brake cleaner????

Chuck Westcott · 02-15-2010, 05:13 PM

Should of seen the enviremental waiver we had to sign at Bradenton !

Joe Pinkston · 02-15-2010, 08:09 PM

What happened if someone refused to sign the enviromental waiver? I read about it on another site and one racer said he was advised by his attorney not to sign it. I have posted the question on that board asking if he indeed did not sign it, but haven't gotten a answer yet. I noticed for the reports on DRC that he did race.

Hey Dan Moore, you're #1.

RIP Mark Graham

Chuck Westcott · 02-15-2010, 08:52 PM

Well you either sign it and turn it with your tech card or you don't race as i understood it.
I signed it and no further questions !

Joe Pinkston · 02-15-2010, 09:06 PM

Here is what was posted by the S/C racer on another message board.

"Any of you guys ever heard of this deal?

We bought tech cards today for the LODRS Div 2 event and got a form we are SUPPOSED TO SIGN before we can race that deals with oil and hazardous materials disposal.

Basically, there is NO DISPOSAL available at event so if you drain your oil you have to take it back on the highways with you, no brake cleaner or carb cleaner cans can be thrown away, etc, etc, you have to keep them in your posession.

To quote the form we got: This is a short version:
"There will be a $1000.00 fine for violation of these rules". "Any breaking of these rules will result in prosecution to the fullest extent of the LAW".

Then above the signature line it says:

"I have read, understand and agree to the above"

Another "Welcome Wagon Treat from NHRA or what?"

My attorney says do not sign it. It creates several serious personal liability issues. One example: What if someone throws a empty oil bottle or Brake Cleaner can in the garbage can next to my trailer. The NHRA trash inspectors find it and say it must be mine. NOW WHAT? I say it isn't they say it is, I get fined $1000 and where does the appeal process start.

What if the EPA finds a large amount of oil spilled on the ground and can't prove who did it; does everyone who signed the form become partially responsible??"

Like I said, he has not responded yet with the answer stating that he did sign the form or not.

Hey Dan Moore, you're #1.

RIP Mark Graham

02-15-2010, 01:47 PM	#3
MOVEMAN Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 106 Likes: 0 Liked 11 Times in 2 Posts	Re: New Tech Rules "Parachutes must have their own independent mounting with sleeved 3/8 1/2-inch minimum steel bolts or steel pins required for all applications. Shroud line(s) mounting brackets must be constructed of minimum .090-inch steel. Material around the holes for the bolts/pins must be equal to or greater than the bolt/pin size." On the 2010 rule amendments page#22 the 1/2 has a line through it as if the are now allowing a 3/8 bolt! I'm more confused now since Chuck says they got him at Bradenton for what ? Having to big of a bolt? There is also a line through the complete last sentence in the above quote, but nothing to replace the wording? Rich Time To Move Racing "Creating Customers For Life"

02-15-2010, 03:57 PM	#4
MOVEMAN Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 106 Likes: 0 Liked 11 Times in 2 Posts	Re: New Tech Rules Just returned from S&W Racecars and was told by Scott Weney that that rule change was recinded after he fabricated a retrofit part to be able to use a 1/2" bolt on their existing cars which all have been made (forever) using a 3/8" bolt to hold the chute lead! The division told him to hold off on this and that the rule was not going to be changed! Maybe D2 should find out the correct application of the rule before making Chuck and who knows else change their cars for nothing! Rich S/C 13 Time To Move Racing "Creating Customers For Life"

02-15-2010, 04:17 PM	#5
Chuck Westcott Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Brownsburg,Indiana Posts: 326 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: New Tech Rules In Tech they were paying particular attention to Tranny locking Dip sticks and I was scolded for a better word for my 3/8 S/S Allen Head Chute Lead Bolt, said I need to have a 1/2 Bolt for the next race which is G-Ville this week. What is the rule ? I'm not opposed to arguing , I would like to correct before this issue comes up in tech. They don't like being wrong ! __________________ Chuck Westcott- S/C -S/G 225 Last edited by Chuck Westcott; 02-15-2010 at 04:22 PM.

02-15-2010, 04:28 PM	#6
Paul Neal Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Everett, Ma Posts: 32 Likes: 25 Liked 4 Times in 1 Post	Re: New Tech Rules The rule before was 1/2" bolt...I think it had to be Grade 8. This year's rule required the tabs to have1/2" material around the bolt hole. That rule was later revised to a 3/8" bolt for most classes (TF, NFC, TAD, and TAFC have their own specific revision). The problem with the stainless bolt may be it's not Grade 8 (though I bet any ARP stainless bolt is as strong as a "cheap" Grade 8. How about these new rules... http://www.nhra.com/story/2010/2/15/...-participants/ A $1000 fine for using the wrong brake cleaner???? __________________ Paul Neal 119E TD/SC Dan Page 265" w/ Martin 632 6.490 @ 205.76 ...all motor!

02-15-2010, 05:13 PM	#7
Chuck Westcott Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Brownsburg,Indiana Posts: 326 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: New Tech Rules Should of seen the enviremental waiver we had to sign at Bradenton ! __________________ Chuck Westcott- S/C -S/G 225 Last edited by Chuck Westcott; 02-15-2010 at 07:35 PM.

02-15-2010, 09:17 AM	#1
MOVEMAN Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 106 Likes: 0 Liked 11 Times in 2 Posts	New Tech Rules I've heard of 2 new rules for 2010! The "Locking Transmission Dipstick" rule and The "Parachute Mount Rule". The first one is pretty simple(I guess), except that it doesn't specify that the bottom of the dipstick tube(where most all leakage would come from)needs to be any type of specific seal ! I saw the list of approved ones and got the Lokar ones for my cars. Does anyone know what the "Parachute Mount Rule Change" is? Rich S/C 13 Time To Move Racing "Creating Customers For Life"

02-15-2010, 10:12 AM	#2
Chuck Westcott Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Brownsburg,Indiana Posts: 326 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: New Tech Rules 1/2 in bolt on the mount, got me in Bradenton. __________________ Chuck Westcott- S/C -S/G 225

02-15-2010, 08:09 PM	#8
Joe Pinkston Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Williston, Fl. Posts: 352 Likes: 2 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: New Tech Rules What happened if someone refused to sign the enviromental waiver? I read about it on another site and one racer said he was advised by his attorney not to sign it. I have posted the question on that board asking if he indeed did not sign it, but haven't gotten a answer yet. I noticed for the reports on DRC that he did race. Hey Dan Moore, you're #1. RIP Mark Graham __________________ Joe Pinkston 2155 S/ST

02-15-2010, 08:52 PM	#9
Chuck Westcott Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Brownsburg,Indiana Posts: 326 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: New Tech Rules Well you either sign it and turn it with your tech card or you don't race as i understood it. I signed it and no further questions ! __________________ Chuck Westcott- S/C -S/G 225

02-15-2010, 09:06 PM	#10
Joe Pinkston Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Williston, Fl. Posts: 352 Likes: 2 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: New Tech Rules Here is what was posted by the S/C racer on another message board. "Any of you guys ever heard of this deal? We bought tech cards today for the LODRS Div 2 event and got a form we are SUPPOSED TO SIGN before we can race that deals with oil and hazardous materials disposal. Basically, there is NO DISPOSAL available at event so if you drain your oil you have to take it back on the highways with you, no brake cleaner or carb cleaner cans can be thrown away, etc, etc, you have to keep them in your posession. To quote the form we got: This is a short version: "There will be a $1000.00 fine for violation of these rules". "Any breaking of these rules will result in prosecution to the fullest extent of the LAW". Then above the signature line it says: "I have read, understand and agree to the above" Another "Welcome Wagon Treat from NHRA or what?" My attorney says do not sign it. It creates several serious personal liability issues. One example: What if someone throws a empty oil bottle or Brake Cleaner can in the garbage can next to my trailer. The NHRA trash inspectors find it and say it must be mine. NOW WHAT? I say it isn't they say it is, I get fined $1000 and where does the appeal process start. What if the EPA finds a large amount of oil spilled on the ground and can't prove who did it; does everyone who signed the form become partially responsible??" Like I said, he has not responded yet with the answer stating that he did sign the form or not. Hey Dan Moore, you're #1. RIP Mark Graham __________________ Joe Pinkston 2155 S/ST