Over Staging - Page 2

Mark Yacavone · 02-11-2021, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by SGSST109E

I was watching the feed from Orlando when a stocker went in to deep during eliminations and didn't get a red. I thought he should have gone red. Maybe people questioned why not.

I didn't see that. I did see a newbie in SS, fail to courtesy stage ,and was backed up .
Joe C. , who claims to be a sportsman racer, said they were checking the dial -ins , but that didn't appear to be the case, from my vantage point.

340Cuda · 02-11-2021, 12:39 PM

Asking for myself, not a friend...

My question would be if I accidentally deep stage can I backup and light the pre-stage again? What if I back all the way out and come back in?

Bill

novassdude · 02-11-2021, 12:50 PM

The way I read it. It says the stage light so you would need to go all the way thru Pre-stage and Stage to get disqualified and not allowed to back up and restage.
As far as if you accidently went deep in a class where it is not allowed but did not go thru the stage light. Can you back up I think that needs to be clarified by the powers that be. I would think as long as you get backed up before your competitor gets staged you may be ok. But that is just an opinion.
It also says when in the stage process so I would think if you crossed in the process of doing the burn out that would not effect this rule. It may get you tossed if your class does not allow burning out across the starting line. But this rule shouldn't effect that.

Mark Yacavone · 02-11-2021, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by 340Cuda

Asking for myself, not a friend...

My question would be if I accidentally deep stage can I backup and light the pre-stage again? What if I back all the way out and come back in?

Bill

Tried to post this last night. If the blue lights are on , and the tree starts, either side , the deep or too shallow car goes red. You technically have a split second to re-stage.
At least that's how it used to be. Now? Have to call my lawyer for an interpretation.

rognelson777 · 02-11-2021, 01:05 PM

I would not be surprised it is some type of new technique. The latest staging I have seen racers do in the big dollar brackets races with dragsters, after burn out, backing up, they stop at prestage and leave prestage on, awaiting for other driver to prestage.

GTS340 · 02-11-2021, 03:04 PM

another first round in super stock there was a crew member standing in the stage beam while the other car was pre-staged. The starter had to run out and get the person out of the lights.

jimmyparker · 02-11-2021, 04:18 PM

In the early days of super gas some of the drivers had a indexed magnetic tape on the driveshaft with a sensor sending a signal to a indicator light on the dash. Once they turned the bottom light they would roll in, they knew what value they needed to see on the indicator to keep from deep staging.
NHRA outlawed these devices probably 25-30 years ago.

GTS340 · 02-11-2021, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by jimmyparker

In the early days of super gas some of the drivers had a indexed magnetic tape on the driveshaft with a sensor sending a signal to a indicator light on the dash. Once they turned the bottom light they would roll in, they knew what value they needed to see on the indicator to keep from deep staging.
NHRA outlawed these devices probably 25-30 years ago.

Sounds like to me another way to cheat. Getting a 1320 measurement somehow. I mentioned a long time ago about racing a world champ that only stared at the tach like it was a geiger counter. Burp burp burp right on the dial in a head wind. Jumped out the car and tells his crew "I thought I turned the tire." Nice!

Mark Yacavone · 02-12-2021, 12:25 AM

Question..Race Pack type onboard loggers use a driveshaft counter /reader, right? And lots of new cars have digital dashes, right? Turn the key off and they go blank, right?
Ah, never mind..This is silly

GTX JOHN · 02-12-2021, 12:56 AM

[QUOTE=GTS340;634165]Sounds like to me another way to cheat. Getting a 1320 measurement somehow. I mentioned a long time ago about racing a world champ that only stared at the tach like it was a geiger counter. Burp burp burp right on the dial in a head wind. Jumped out the car and tells his crew "I thought I turned the tire." Nice![/QUOTE

Perhaps not even very long ago?
That is all I will say!

02-11-2021, 12:39 PM	#12
340Cuda VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Tulsa, Oklahoma Posts: 1,567 Likes: 3,154 Liked 677 Times in 290 Posts	Re: Over Staging Asking for myself, not a friend... My question would be if I accidentally deep stage can I backup and light the pre-stage again? What if I back all the way out and come back in? Bill

02-11-2021, 12:50 PM	#13
novassdude Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: usa Posts: 746 Likes: 203 Liked 133 Times in 49 Posts	Re: Over Staging The way I read it. It says the stage light so you would need to go all the way thru Pre-stage and Stage to get disqualified and not allowed to back up and restage. As far as if you accidently went deep in a class where it is not allowed but did not go thru the stage light. Can you back up I think that needs to be clarified by the powers that be. I would think as long as you get backed up before your competitor gets staged you may be ok. But that is just an opinion. It also says when in the stage process so I would think if you crossed in the process of doing the burn out that would not effect this rule. It may get you tossed if your class does not allow burning out across the starting line. But this rule shouldn't effect that.

02-11-2021, 01:05 PM	#15
rognelson777 Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 372 Likes: 20 Liked 132 Times in 72 Posts	Re: Over Staging I would not be surprised it is some type of new technique. The latest staging I have seen racers do in the big dollar brackets races with dragsters, after burn out, backing up, they stop at prestage and leave prestage on, awaiting for other driver to prestage.

02-11-2021, 03:04 PM	#16
GTS340 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2017 Location: Las Vegas, Nv Posts: 747 Likes: 183 Liked 1,068 Times in 334 Posts	Re: Over Staging another first round in super stock there was a crew member standing in the stage beam while the other car was pre-staged. The starter had to run out and get the person out of the lights.

02-11-2021, 04:18 PM	#17
jimmyparker Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: columbus, georgia Posts: 360 Likes: 41 Liked 225 Times in 71 Posts	Re: Over Staging In the early days of super gas some of the drivers had a indexed magnetic tape on the driveshaft with a sensor sending a signal to a indicator light on the dash. Once they turned the bottom light they would roll in, they knew what value they needed to see on the indicator to keep from deep staging. NHRA outlawed these devices probably 25-30 years ago.

02-12-2021, 12:25 AM	#19
Mark Yacavone Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Miles From Nowhere Posts: 7,414 Likes: 2,579 Liked 4,447 Times in 1,693 Posts	Re: Over Staging Question..Race Pack type onboard loggers use a driveshaft counter /reader, right? And lots of new cars have digital dashes, right? Turn the key off and they go blank, right? Ah, never mind..This is silly __________________ We are lucky we don't get as much Government as we pay for..... Will Rogers

02-12-2021, 12:56 AM	#20
GTX JOHN VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Boulder City, Nevada 89005 Posts: 2,528 Likes: 2,222 Liked 1,792 Times in 571 Posts	Re: Over Staging [QUOTE=GTS340;634165]Sounds like to me another way to cheat. Getting a 1320 measurement somehow. I mentioned a long time ago about racing a world champ that only stared at the tach like it was a geiger counter. Burp burp burp right on the dial in a head wind. Jumped out the car and tells his crew "I thought I turned the tire." Nice![/QUOTE Perhaps not even very long ago? That is all I will say! __________________ John Irving 741 Stock 741 Super Stock