index bashing - Page 2

jarn05 · 04-03-2007, 07:41 AM

hey tom p kiss my *****, i guess hemi cars should loose the scoops to? it is small minded thinkers like yourself that have ruined s/ss racing i wish people like you would go back to golfing with tea and crumpets where you belong!

Bill Belden · 04-03-2007, 07:55 AM

Hemi cars came with hood scoops,,

1100 I/S

keith ohanesian · 04-03-2007, 12:40 PM

There will be a lot more super mod classes getting beaten up soon.. There is no reason to complain, they don't get horsepower. This is just going to make everyone keep up with the Benjamin's.

BPotts · 04-03-2007, 07:04 PM

My SS car has a scoop, but it is FAR from being a comp motor.....

SS Engine Guy · 04-04-2007, 06:33 PM

DID the car get a complete tech inspection before an index is hit? Should be the same on all runs if we have to play with the AHFS BS both SS and SSmodified.

Patrick Kelliher · 04-04-2007, 10:34 PM

I know this is a suspicious forum, but I know Arnie. He may throw money around, but he doesn't cheat. That has never been his style. It's sad that every time someone runs great numbers right away people are implying cheating.

davyjones · 04-05-2007, 01:04 AM

Patrick I can say for myself that I never said anything about the legality of his combo . I am sure he was pumped and found legal when he set the record ,and I belive he and all his cars are legal . The only thing I was saying without saying it ... is the best of the best high end comp motor is a DANGEROUS index assualting weapon in SS/MODIFIED. No matter how fast you are or how many rounds you win it seems a little foolish to run 1320' when your competitor who left first turned on the red light .

Bryan Broaddus · 04-05-2007, 01:33 AM

Wow Ray,

I am sure glad I don't race Super Stock in the division you described. Sounds like a really warped group. I am glad I race in Division 6 and 7 where most all of the folks are really quality people.

I do however understand Davy Jones point. I don't know Arnie Martel but I do know some others that run in SS/DM and they are going to be in trouble as a result of his stellar performance. It is allowed to bring a state of the art Comp Car into Super Stock but it is not always wise to bomb an index for no real reason. Seems pointless to me.

SS Engine Guy · 04-05-2007, 02:55 AM

I'm sorry if anyone misread my inquiry about tech for an accusation of cheating. I just wondered if since he red lit then he wasn't required fuel check or scales. Was he teched or not? Simple question. Apparently nobody knows or is willing to say he was or wasn't checked. If a index hitting run isn't proven to be legal then it seems heavy handed to take away index.

An index hit on those kind of classes is a pretty big deal when you have your dollars tied up in a combo like SS/mod. Easy to say "no big deal" unless it is your wallet that just got lighter. I personally don't give a rats behind who thinks who is legal, illegal or otherwise... Who's buddys with who or who thinks they know ***** and don't.

Simple qestion? Was the car scaled, fuel checked and teched after the index hitting run? Doen't matter who it is. That should apply anytime AHFS or any other BS is applied. Stock, SS, SS/mod.

Scott Gove · 04-05-2007, 06:40 AM

well said Vierheller, apressiate the comments. However the system jumps the gun. I made a total of 2 yes thats 2 runs last fall at atco they wack the index 15. 8.007 record run. 8.01 back up. car was legal, ohanesian can tell you that story. i get the record at 8.01 ??? instead of 8.00 then get wacked 15 in one hit. now granted its obvious id have got it sooner or later and ill get some more im sure. the 7 second passes didnt count because they were test and tune on thurs the 8.0's at the dutch didnt count because it was nat open race. did any body call nhra about this? several last fall said they were gonna bitch. super stock is performance based competitive racing . in my world any way. i thought that if i run fast, built nice cars that are hard leaving and straight running down the track, i might sell some race cars. its called advertizing. Ronnie Sox god rest his soul didnt become a legend sand bagging and driving the brakes on. He probably didnt have 2 rolls of duct tape all over his windshield , rearveiw mirror and cardboard taped to his helmet either.and no i dont think im famous and i dont suspect i will be either. if they would fix comp id be there. it aint all money either. martels got more in his trailer than i got in the whole operation. alot of its hard work. they say you cant buy happiness, you cant just buy the seven second zone either. i tried that a few years ago, it didnt work ,i had to work for it. if you cant afford to run fast work on your tree and dial ins . history has proven it dont take alot to drive around my sorry *** on the tree. not likly that ill get in anyones way. but im having fun!!! after all thats what its really all about.

04-03-2007, 07:55 AM	#12
Bill Belden Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: York, PA Posts: 241 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Hemi cars came with hood scoops,, 1100 I/S __________________ Bill Belden Retired Stock Eliminator [emailSTK1100@comcast.net[/email]

04-03-2007, 12:40 PM	#13
keith ohanesian Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 392 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	There will be a lot more super mod classes getting beaten up soon.. There is no reason to complain, they don't get horsepower. This is just going to make everyone keep up with the Benjamin's. __________________ No prep is king

04-03-2007, 07:04 PM	#14
BPotts Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Alpharetta, GA Posts: 83 Likes: 30 Liked 12 Times in 2 Posts	My SS car has a scoop, but it is FAR from being a comp motor..... __________________ Ben Potts SS/CS 254

04-05-2007, 01:33 AM	#18
Bryan Broaddus Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 100 Likes: 1 Liked 18 Times in 3 Posts	Wow Ray, I am sure glad I don't race Super Stock in the division you described. Sounds like a really warped group. I am glad I race in Division 6 and 7 where most all of the folks are really quality people. I do however understand Davy Jones point. I don't know Arnie Martel but I do know some others that run in SS/DM and they are going to be in trouble as a result of his stellar performance. It is allowed to bring a state of the art Comp Car into Super Stock but it is not always wise to bomb an index for no real reason. Seems pointless to me. __________________ Bryan Broaddus 7568 STK ,SS

04-05-2007, 06:40 AM	#20
Scott Gove Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: maine Posts: 5 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	well said Vierheller, apressiate the comments. However the system jumps the gun. I made a total of 2 yes thats 2 runs last fall at atco they wack the index 15. 8.007 record run. 8.01 back up. car was legal, ohanesian can tell you that story. i get the record at 8.01 ??? instead of 8.00 then get wacked 15 in one hit. now granted its obvious id have got it sooner or later and ill get some more im sure. the 7 second passes didnt count because they were test and tune on thurs the 8.0's at the dutch didnt count because it was nat open race. did any body call nhra about this? several last fall said they were gonna bitch. super stock is performance based competitive racing . in my world any way. i thought that if i run fast, built nice cars that are hard leaving and straight running down the track, i might sell some race cars. its called advertizing. Ronnie Sox god rest his soul didnt become a legend sand bagging and driving the brakes on. He probably didnt have 2 rolls of duct tape all over his windshield , rearveiw mirror and cardboard taped to his helmet either.and no i dont think im famous and i dont suspect i will be either. if they would fix comp id be there. it aint all money either. martels got more in his trailer than i got in the whole operation. alot of its hard work. they say you cant buy happiness, you cant just buy the seven second zone either. i tried that a few years ago, it didnt work ,i had to work for it. if you cant afford to run fast work on your tree and dial ins . history has proven it dont take alot to drive around my sorry *** on the tree. not likly that ill get in anyones way. but im having fun!!! after all thats what its really all about. __________________ Scott Gove 1340 SS, 1342 COMP

04-03-2007, 07:41 AM	#11
jarn05 Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 40 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	hey tom p kiss my *****, i guess hemi cars should loose the scoops to? it is small minded thinkers like yourself that have ruined s/ss racing i wish people like you would go back to golfing with tea and crumpets where you belong!

04-04-2007, 06:33 PM	#15
SS Engine Guy Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: usa Posts: 256 Likes: 1 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	DID the car get a complete tech inspection before an index is hit? Should be the same on all runs if we have to play with the AHFS BS both SS and SSmodified.

04-04-2007, 10:34 PM	#16
Patrick Kelliher Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 124 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I know this is a suspicious forum, but I know Arnie. He may throw money around, but he doesn't cheat. That has never been his style. It's sad that every time someone runs great numbers right away people are implying cheating.

04-05-2007, 01:04 AM	#17
davyjones Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: ALTA LOMA , CA Posts: 92 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Patrick I can say for myself that I never said anything about the legality of his combo . I am sure he was pumped and found legal when he set the record ,and I belive he and all his cars are legal . The only thing I was saying without saying it ... is the best of the best high end comp motor is a DANGEROUS index assualting weapon in SS/MODIFIED. No matter how fast you are or how many rounds you win it seems a little foolish to run 1320' when your competitor who left first turned on the red light .

04-05-2007, 02:55 AM	#19
SS Engine Guy Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: usa Posts: 256 Likes: 1 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	I'm sorry if anyone misread my inquiry about tech for an accusation of cheating. I just wondered if since he red lit then he wasn't required fuel check or scales. Was he teched or not? Simple question. Apparently nobody knows or is willing to say he was or wasn't checked. If a index hitting run isn't proven to be legal then it seems heavy handed to take away index. An index hit on those kind of classes is a pretty big deal when you have your dollars tied up in a combo like SS/mod. Easy to say "no big deal" unless it is your wallet that just got lighter. I personally don't give a rats behind who thinks who is legal, illegal or otherwise... Who's buddys with who or who thinks they know ***** and don't. Simple qestion? Was the car scaled, fuel checked and teched after the index hitting run? Doen't matter who it is. That should apply anytime AHFS or any other BS is applied. Stock, SS, SS/mod.