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Old 01-29-2020, 01:08 PM   #141
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So if I analyzed those blocks of text correctly, here's what's changed:

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* Angle milling of cylinder head, exhaust and intake mating surfaces permitted.
* Additional intake manifold bolts holes permitted.
* Spacer plates between intake manifold and cylinder head permitted.
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Old 01-29-2020, 01:43 PM   #142
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Good thing pinned studs are still legal......All the racers with them can breathe a sigh of relief...…..LOL

P.S. I did pin a lot of studs but it was at least 30 years ago and a lot more....
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Old 01-29-2020, 03:45 PM   #143
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I am curious why it's always been worded as "must hold volume" and no mention of maximum.

"Cylinder head must be able to hold combustion chamber, intake and exhaust runner volumes per NHRA Specifications"

The way I interpret that is a five gallon bucket will hold a gallon but a one gallon bucket won't hold five. So ports can be larger than their spec but not smaller.
Obviously they want the combustion chamber to hold all of the 72cc or whatever spec is but they want that 205cc port to hold NO MORE THAN 205cc.

Why wouldn't they just say that?

A lot of the rulebook seems to have been written in 1952 and they added extra words instead of rewriting the whole thing. The previously mentioned pinned studs for example.
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Old 01-29-2020, 08:10 PM   #144
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Good thing pinned studs are still legal......All the racers with them can breathe a sigh of relief...…..LOL

P.S. I did pin a lot of studs but it was at least 30 years ago and a lot more....
Yeah......about that. I also hadn't pinned any studs in a long time either. Racers moved on to better options.

Then......the Magazines and the Internet "Experts" convinced all these streetcar folks that they needed Vortec heads as a "budget" performance option. You put one more ounce of spring pressure or cam lift on those things. and the studs seem to fly out. Once they see that the guides have to be cut and new seals installed, there's no room in the "budget" for screw-in studs. Now pinning becomes an option again.
P.S. I can't describe how much I dislike pinning studs nowadays.

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Old 01-30-2020, 10:23 AM   #145
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Who is going to be the first to take a bbc oval port head and mill 1" off the intake flange of head below the valve cover bolts? Should gain 50-60cc to open up the port.
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Old 01-30-2020, 01:17 PM   #146
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Who is going to be the first to take a bbc oval port head and mill 1" off the intake flange of head below the valve cover bolts? Should gain 50-60cc to open up the port.
Yeah, after the crying, NHRA backing down leaves the door open for more "innovation".
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Old 01-30-2020, 02:49 PM   #147
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Who is going to be the first to take a bbc oval port head and mill 1" off the intake flange of head below the valve cover bolts? Should gain 50-60cc to open up the port.
Bert,
Do you even know what you are talking about?
Gain 50 to 60 cc's when the rules allow you to port, epoxy and epoxy the cylinder heads?
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Old 01-30-2020, 02:58 PM   #148
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Bert knows exactly what he is talking about! If they cc without the spacer plate there is a ton to gain. And if there wasn't gains to be had in port volume, then why do they make'm. Air speed can still be retained with more volume.

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Old 01-30-2020, 03:40 PM   #149
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Bert knows exactly what he is talking about! If they cc without the spacer plate there is a ton to gain. And if there wasn't gains to be had in port volume, then why do they make'm. Air speed can still be retained with more volume.
It is measured without the spacer and not all engines use a spacer. There is a lot more to to volume to make power with cylinder heads.
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Old 01-30-2020, 05:03 PM   #150
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Yeah, after the crying, NHRA backing down leaves the door open for more "innovation".
Once again the "innovators" get there way !! Break out the 85b n mill away !! Can anyone guess whats next to come down the road ??
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