A case for Tru-Start - Page 2

cal · 11-14-2016, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by FireSale

I reread the available info on TruStart and agree with the premise, but the track has to shut off the automatic win light until after the second car starts the clocks. If the chaser is geared to kill the tree in a tight race like this, he can drop out of race mode with the auto win light flashing. If the win light is put on hold, then the chaser has to follow his plan of action. If it involves cutting it too close, then the red light margins decide the winner. The chaser has to be given the opportunity to lose to make this fair.

Hello all
The way true start is set up the win light or Red light does not come on till both cars have left the starting line. Example Car A has the spot Car B leaves 2nd.
Car A turns it 001 red, the red light will not show until Car B leaves the starting line.
If both car A & B red light, both red lights will show on the tree and the score board will show the true winner.
Not saying I like it or don't like it, but as long as I know it is being used before I enter the race that's cool with me.

Cal
SST HR 1177

Mickey Whaley · 11-14-2016, 10:21 AM

Ken please get this crap off of here same ol same ol racing has been the same for 40 years why change now????????????????

novassdude · 11-14-2016, 11:05 AM

Next we need to go for the best package crowed. Who would have won the race based on best package?

Then to be really fair lets figure the winner all 3 ways Current system, True start and Best package. The racer that wins 2 out of 3 ways is declared the winner.

Or to make the new millennials happy every one just go down the track but don't record anything and everyone is declared the winner.

jmcarter · 11-14-2016, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by novassdude

Next we need to go for the best package crowed. Who would have won the race based on best package?

Then to be really fair lets figure the winner all 3 ways Current system, True start and Best package. The racer that wins 2 out of 3 ways is declared the winner.

Or to make the new millennials happy every one just go down the track but don't record anything and everyone is declared the winner.

That's funny right there....don't care who you are.

Bob Don · 11-14-2016, 11:22 AM

If this includes a "Participation Wally", I'm in!

Dave Noll · 11-14-2016, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Bob Don

If this includes a "Participation Wally", I'm in!

I'm out.

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Originally Posted by novassdude

Next we need to go for the best package crowed. Who would have won the race based on best package?

Then to be really fair lets figure the winner all 3 ways Current system, True start and Best package. The racer that wins 2 out of 3 ways is declared the winner.

Or to make the new millennials happy every one just go down the track but don't record anything and everyone is declared the winner.

They do have a best package deal at the bracket finals. 2 out of 3, yeah, hyuk.

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Originally Posted by Mickey Whaley

Ken please get this crap off of here same ol same ol racing has been the same for 40 years why change now????????????????

As the starter of this thread, I feel Tru-start is 39 years too late in being implemented. Why change ? As a driver of a slower car, I feel this is a problem that needs to be fixed.

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Originally Posted by 7423

The race was over on the starting line. Closer to the dial means nothing. Closer to green should move on. Jody was closer to green than Bob. Pigs should have been flyin' long ago...........

Agreed, except for maybe the pigs.

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Originally Posted by Rory McNeil

Curious how you say that Charlie, their red lights were only .001 apart, and Bob was much closer to his dial, although it is obvious that both drivers lifted early. I know both drivers, and Jody is certainly one of the best Stock and S/S drivers over the past 15 or so years, but as he showed in the final, Mr. Gullet is not to be taken lightly, and deserved the win.

Agreed. Bob and Jody are both guys that I have a lot of respect for. They are both real good at doing this. What happened when they raced is just an example of what I feel that tru-start will, in my mind, fix.

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Originally Posted by 4406mopar

Not isolated, happens many events.
Pomona finals SS 3rd round - stock 5th round
Vegas SS 2nd round
Dallas stock 2nd round.
St Louis SS 3rd round, etc

My point exactly. Its not isolated. Tru-start is now out there and fixes this advantage that I feel the faster cars have had. I, for 1, would like to see it implemented. Its been created, has a name, I like it.

Dave Noll, N/SA 6526

Bob Shaw · 11-14-2016, 08:50 PM

Starting in 1976 at NHRA divisional races the first car to reach the finish line and break out was the loser. They figured out that wasn't right and corrected it..

tranzbuilder · 11-14-2016, 11:34 PM

For all of those wanting to race with tru-start I'm sure the are plenty of bracket racing platforms beginning out there and tracks as well then u won't have to worry about heads-up races fuel check or going over the scales or even tear downs for that matter and centainly won't have to cry on this forum about not getting into a national event where they won't implement tru-start. Believe it or not the level playing field out there is what u make it quit complaining and just get some seat time

Bernie Cunningham · 11-15-2016, 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by tranzbuilder

For all of those wanting to race with tru-start I'm sure the are plenty of bracket racing platforms beginning out there and tracks as well then u won't have to worry about heads-up races fuel check or going over the scales or even tear downs for that matter and centainly won't have to cry on this forum about not getting into a national event where they won't implement tru-start. Believe it or not the level playing field out there is what u make it quit complaining and just get some seat time

WOW, I'd like to know who you are my friend, that's a very bold post right there !!

Don Morris · 11-15-2016, 01:04 AM

Maybe I have a misconception of how Tru-Start works. I'd be happy to be corrected.

For example, racing under the Tru-Start system is a V/SA and an A/SA. V car leaves and goes red, but there is no visible indication of a foul start (to use NHRA terminology). Freeze frame right there. As I understand Tru-Start, the V car driver now has a "second chance" at winning the race instead of being automatically eliminated. So far so good? If the A car leaves clean, that driver is the automatic winner. If the A car goes red, I guess they figure it out with the R/T that is closer to .000 or each driver's total package.

Now change things up a little. V car leaves clean and the A car goes red. Is the A car automatically eliminated?

11-14-2016, 10:21 AM	#12
Mickey Whaley VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 1,220 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: A case for Tru-Start Ken please get this crap off of here same ol same ol racing has been the same for 40 years why change now????????????????

11-14-2016, 11:05 AM	#13
novassdude Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: usa Posts: 746 Likes: 203 Liked 133 Times in 49 Posts	Re: A case for Tru-Start Next we need to go for the best package crowed. Who would have won the race based on best package? Then to be really fair lets figure the winner all 3 ways Current system, True start and Best package. The racer that wins 2 out of 3 ways is declared the winner. Or to make the new millennials happy every one just go down the track but don't record anything and everyone is declared the winner.

11-14-2016, 11:22 AM	#15
Bob Don VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Greater Boston Posts: 1,476 Likes: 980 Liked 778 Times in 175 Posts	Re: A case for Tru-Start If this includes a "Participation Wally", I'm in! __________________ Bob Don 128 SS

11-14-2016, 08:50 PM	#17
Bob Shaw Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Sedalia, Mo Posts: 427 Likes: 280 Liked 290 Times in 58 Posts	Re: A case for Tru-Start Starting in 1976 at NHRA divisional races the first car to reach the finish line and break out was the loser. They figured out that wasn't right and corrected it.. __________________ Bob Shaw V/SA 515 Last edited by Bob Shaw; 11-14-2016 at 09:13 PM.

11-14-2016, 11:34 PM	#18
tranzbuilder Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 18 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: A case for Tru-Start For all of those wanting to race with tru-start I'm sure the are plenty of bracket racing platforms beginning out there and tracks as well then u won't have to worry about heads-up races fuel check or going over the scales or even tear downs for that matter and centainly won't have to cry on this forum about not getting into a national event where they won't implement tru-start. Believe it or not the level playing field out there is what u make it quit complaining and just get some seat time

11-15-2016, 01:04 AM	#20
Don Morris Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 39 Likes: 5 Liked 72 Times in 9 Posts	Re: A case for Tru-Start Maybe I have a misconception of how Tru-Start works. I'd be happy to be corrected. For example, racing under the Tru-Start system is a V/SA and an A/SA. V car leaves and goes red, but there is no visible indication of a foul start (to use NHRA terminology). Freeze frame right there. As I understand Tru-Start, the V car driver now has a "second chance" at winning the race instead of being automatically eliminated. So far so good? If the A car leaves clean, that driver is the automatic winner. If the A car goes red, I guess they figure it out with the R/T that is closer to .000 or each driver's total package. Now change things up a little. V car leaves clean and the A car goes red. Is the A car automatically eliminated?