Traction issues

Floyd Staggs · 03-27-2011, 08:25 PM

My truck is a ladder bar coil over set up with MT 29.5X11.5X15 slicks. My old tires gave up after a year and a half and I bought a new set, same size. The new ones don't seem to be sticking. My 60 fts have dropped from 1.42, 1.43 to 1.50 plus. I've got the ladder bars in the bottom hole and the shocks set soft, 3 and 4 clicks left to right. They are Varishocks single adjustable. Am I hitting the tires too hard or are the new ones not as good as the old ones? They just cost me a race when I let go of the button and they just blew away. Had to peddle and then couldn't catch the guy.
Any ideas?

C and W Racing · 03-29-2011, 01:18 PM

Not familiar with m/t, but have you checked to make sure that the compound is the same as your old tires? Have you tried them more than one race? Maybe the track prep wasn't up to par. Like that ever happens. lol

Floyd Staggs · 03-30-2011, 11:17 AM

Yes, I tried them 2 weekends in a row, same track. Nobody else seemed to have any issues that I know of.
As far as I know that tire size comes in one compund only. This is my 3rd set of these and the first time I have had any issues.
Question, which hole hits the tire harder, bottom or top?

C and W Racing · 03-30-2011, 02:50 PM

You said your old tires gave up. Were they doing the same thing as the new ones? On a ladder bar, you can't change the length of the bar, so technically, it hits the same, what you can change is the lift point, relative to the nuetral line. If your truck was mine, I would have the lower bar parallel to the ground or slightly pointing down. The best way to see how it is hitting the tire is have someone vidio the truck with a good look at the rear tire. If they use a digital camera and you can play it frame by frame, you can learn a lot. On the truck that I had, I ran the shocks full soft, with the long wheelbase that it had, it needed the help for pitch rotation. That truck would go down a dirt road and it would go red on a pro tree
Chuck

Floyd Staggs · 03-31-2011, 10:39 AM

The old tires just wouldn't hook any more. They would spin at the hit, not as bad as the new ones.
My bars are in the bottom hole, slightly down, and the shocks are 2 clicks left, 4 clicks right from dead soft. I've got 150 lb springs on the back.
Would you like to come help me get mine sorted out? I sure as hell can't go red on a pro tree.

Floyd Staggs · 03-31-2011, 10:43 AM

C & W, check this out.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...xt=1&list=QL&index=1

GaryGoFast · 03-31-2011, 02:34 PM

Any chance you may have a spring or shock issue?

Floyd Staggs · 03-31-2011, 04:05 PM

I could have issues but it was working good till I changed tires. No ther changes except for launch chip and tire pressure.
I'm taking the tires back to MT tomorrow and we will check the hardness. They were suprised when I told them they didn't get sticky after a burnout.

C and W Racing · 03-31-2011, 05:31 PM

Put hoosiers with an 07 compound on your truck and it will fix your problem
Chuck

Floyd Staggs · 03-31-2011, 06:12 PM

Now ya tell me after I paid MT $460.00 for theirs.

03-27-2011, 08:25 PM	#1
Floyd Staggs VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Cucamonga, CA Posts: 1,510 Likes: 132 Liked 220 Times in 95 Posts	Traction issues My truck is a ladder bar coil over set up with MT 29.5X11.5X15 slicks. My old tires gave up after a year and a half and I bought a new set, same size. The new ones don't seem to be sticking. My 60 fts have dropped from 1.42, 1.43 to 1.50 plus. I've got the ladder bars in the bottom hole and the shocks set soft, 3 and 4 clicks left to right. They are Varishocks single adjustable. Am I hitting the tires too hard or are the new ones not as good as the old ones? They just cost me a race when I let go of the button and they just blew away. Had to peddle and then couldn't catch the guy. Any ideas? __________________ Floyd Staggs 787 SST

03-29-2011, 01:18 PM	#2
C and W Racing Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 554 Likes: 5 Liked 10 Times in 1 Post	Re: Traction issues Not familiar with m/t, but have you checked to make sure that the compound is the same as your old tires? Have you tried them more than one race? Maybe the track prep wasn't up to par. Like that ever happens. lol

03-30-2011, 11:17 AM	#3
Floyd Staggs VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Cucamonga, CA Posts: 1,510 Likes: 132 Liked 220 Times in 95 Posts	Re: Traction issues Yes, I tried them 2 weekends in a row, same track. Nobody else seemed to have any issues that I know of. As far as I know that tire size comes in one compund only. This is my 3rd set of these and the first time I have had any issues. Question, which hole hits the tire harder, bottom or top? __________________ Floyd Staggs 787 SST

03-30-2011, 02:50 PM	#4
C and W Racing Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 554 Likes: 5 Liked 10 Times in 1 Post	Re: Traction issues You said your old tires gave up. Were they doing the same thing as the new ones? On a ladder bar, you can't change the length of the bar, so technically, it hits the same, what you can change is the lift point, relative to the nuetral line. If your truck was mine, I would have the lower bar parallel to the ground or slightly pointing down. The best way to see how it is hitting the tire is have someone vidio the truck with a good look at the rear tire. If they use a digital camera and you can play it frame by frame, you can learn a lot. On the truck that I had, I ran the shocks full soft, with the long wheelbase that it had, it needed the help for pitch rotation. That truck would go down a dirt road and it would go red on a pro tree Chuck

03-31-2011, 10:39 AM	#5
Floyd Staggs VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Cucamonga, CA Posts: 1,510 Likes: 132 Liked 220 Times in 95 Posts	Re: Traction issues The old tires just wouldn't hook any more. They would spin at the hit, not as bad as the new ones. My bars are in the bottom hole, slightly down, and the shocks are 2 clicks left, 4 clicks right from dead soft. I've got 150 lb springs on the back. Would you like to come help me get mine sorted out? I sure as hell can't go red on a pro tree. __________________ Floyd Staggs 787 SST

03-31-2011, 10:43 AM	#6
Floyd Staggs VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Cucamonga, CA Posts: 1,510 Likes: 132 Liked 220 Times in 95 Posts	Re: Traction issues C & W, check this out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...xt=1&list=QL&index=1 __________________ Floyd Staggs 787 SST

03-31-2011, 02:34 PM	#7
GaryGoFast Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: New York Posts: 804 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Traction issues Any chance you may have a spring or shock issue? __________________ Gary Federico S/St, S/G 1814

03-31-2011, 04:05 PM	#8
Floyd Staggs VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Cucamonga, CA Posts: 1,510 Likes: 132 Liked 220 Times in 95 Posts	Re: Traction issues I could have issues but it was working good till I changed tires. No ther changes except for launch chip and tire pressure. I'm taking the tires back to MT tomorrow and we will check the hardness. They were suprised when I told them they didn't get sticky after a burnout. __________________ Floyd Staggs 787 SST

03-31-2011, 05:31 PM	#9
C and W Racing Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 554 Likes: 5 Liked 10 Times in 1 Post	Re: Traction issues Put hoosiers with an 07 compound on your truck and it will fix your problem Chuck

03-31-2011, 06:12 PM	#10
Floyd Staggs VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Cucamonga, CA Posts: 1,510 Likes: 132 Liked 220 Times in 95 Posts	Re: Traction issues Now ya tell me after I paid MT $460.00 for theirs. __________________ Floyd Staggs 787 SST