Original hemi dart information - Page 23

Paul Ceasrine · 11-08-2009, 10:11 AM

Mark J,
Got a private message from Jim, who worked at Cy Greene Dodge, Manhassett, L.I.. New York. A Hemi Dart went through there. Not sure if it was an original order, or swapped from another dealer. He's not sure of who got it. Or the Singer Dodge connection.
Mystery Barracuda. Not sure if you've got this one. ............................
Bender Chrysler-Plymouth, SS/BA, Clovis, New Mexico
No, not Gordon Stewart's "Hair Bender". This one looks like a
Sox & Martin paint-scheme, with a large center-strip (blue)???
More on Pomona, later....
PC

Paul Ceasrine · 11-10-2009, 05:46 AM

Bill,
Thanks on the bus connection. It was either Short-Line or Vanguard,
I'm not sure of any others, maybe Orange Bus Co.? But the Dart was there, in the bus garage (owned by a mechanic). Heard he ran the car
on the late-shift between the buses for fun, against the guys from the
night-shift at the Ford-plant in Mahwah. Maybe against some Super Cobra-Jets on a final test-drive, before shipping them out

Not sure if you heard of a Vic. Pomona Speed Shop, off route 202 in Pomona, NY. Not really a speed shop, but a 2-car garage behind his house (Vic's Auto Repair), with some speed parts in his side office.
Got the Hemi Dart in (74'/75'..??) from the bus mechanic.
Paul

mike koester 66 nova · 11-10-2009, 09:04 AM

Mark J and Paul, Hot Rod Magazine put out a special Mopar collectors series in the winter of 2005, alot of rare pictures in the back section.
Ronnie Sox racing Charlie Casaldo, Hemi Hunter, Hemi Power,and over
50 other hemi darts and cudas. one picture is Ed Miller in his cuda racing the Manhatten Speed Parts dart. some pictures are from 1968 and some were from 1969. some teams in early paint and lettering, and
some in latter day paint. most pictures in black and white. its a great start for someone trying to figure some of this hemi history out.

mike koester 66 nova · 11-10-2009, 09:21 AM

Mark J, did you ever do any more research on the two red DeFrank and
Cohen cudas? One was red and yellow and sold to Lydon and Johnson in Penn. and the other all red car was sold to Don MacCallum. What do you think the history was on each car. Also I understand that Dell and you have allmost finished documenting most of these cars. Are you going to publish this information or going to try making it available to others trying to study the sport. Any help would be appreciated. Have many cars with
their first owners. These cars sure did change hands over the years. I told Dell I would try and send him more pictures.

68hemiss · 11-11-2009, 12:06 AM

Paul, I got your pictures, I am getting some ready to send to you. Looks like you have been doing some digging! I tried a few people but no luck on the Pomona Speed shop yet.
Mark J

Paul Ceasrine · 11-11-2009, 03:50 AM

Mark,
As you can see in the Dart photo. The rear quarter-panels are near perfect. Replaced stock units. I'm sure in 1980 or 1981, the original
Hurst-modified units must have been dinged up pretty bad. Most guys just replaced the quarter-panels with stock units, and then had the
rear-ends narrowed for the cleaner look? Also, I said earlier, the
trunk-lid had a steel unit on, with the trim-panel. Unfortunately, thats all I have on the black Dart.
As for the Pomona car, not too much info passing on this post. It appears that the original car went through Charles Singer Dodge in
Kearney, New Jersey and/or Cy Greene Dodge in Manhassett, L.I., NY.
I think the original purchaser came out of Corona (Queens), NY. Not too far from Manhassett.
Jim B, mentioned that the Dart out of Cy Greene Dodge was a 4-speed,
but as you know, that doesn't help much, as many racers immediately switched to automatics.
PC

Paul Ceasrine · 11-11-2009, 04:09 AM

Mark J,
Following up on the Pomona, NY Dart. As I said earlier, it was at Dover in late 75'. Painted dark gray, with Pomona Speed Parts lettered on
the front fender (I think). It ran in brackets (no S/S there). Maybe a 11.70 or so, the car was worn-out-a-bit. The owner of the Dart wanted to trade me his car for the 440 Cuda' (photo I sent you). You see why I didn't do it.
Then it disappeared, and Dover closed in May 76'.
4 years later, I'm selling automotive engine rebuilding equipment, and
I end up in Pomona. The owner (Vic) in a 2-bay garage with a small parts store in his office wants to buy tooling for his Winona valve guide/seat machine. One thing leads to another, and there it was, on the side of his garage, the Hemi Dart. Not for Sale, and sitting for almost 4 years, (only occasionally street-raced in Nyack, NY and North Jersey)
machine.

Bucky Hess · 11-11-2009, 11:56 AM

68hemiss Do you have any pictures of Tom Myl cuda Dell sent me 2 Thanks Bucky

Bob Rice · 11-11-2009, 03:51 PM

Bucky,
Email me at bobrice@embarqmail.com. I have a few.
Bob Rice

jack arnew · 11-12-2009, 06:35 PM

Around 1973 or 74 I purchased a original factory Dart from a black gentelman . We picked the car in Hamsted New York . The Dart had been in a fire in a local body shop,I think that was the story. Hood and dipped parts were in bad shape but were repairable, and the paint (white) blackened, all in all she was restorable.Brought it back to Baltimore and started to put the body back into original condition, but had an offer to sell (can't remember who),Have no idea where the car is now.It's been a long time ago but I beleave it was a stick , seems to me it had a Dana rear

11-08-2009, 10:11 AM	#221
Paul Ceasrine VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,546 Likes: 0 Liked 10 Times in 10 Posts	Re: Original hemi dart information Mark J, Got a private message from Jim, who worked at Cy Greene Dodge, Manhassett, L.I.. New York. A Hemi Dart went through there. Not sure if it was an original order, or swapped from another dealer. He's not sure of who got it. Or the Singer Dodge connection. Mystery Barracuda. Not sure if you've got this one. ............................ Bender Chrysler-Plymouth, SS/BA, Clovis, New Mexico No, not Gordon Stewart's "Hair Bender". This one looks like a Sox & Martin paint-scheme, with a large center-strip (blue)??? More on Pomona, later.... PC

11-10-2009, 05:46 AM	#222
Paul Ceasrine VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,546 Likes: 0 Liked 10 Times in 10 Posts	Re: Original hemi dart information Bill, Thanks on the bus connection. It was either Short-Line or Vanguard, I'm not sure of any others, maybe Orange Bus Co.? But the Dart was there, in the bus garage (owned by a mechanic). Heard he ran the car on the late-shift between the buses for fun, against the guys from the night-shift at the Ford-plant in Mahwah. Maybe against some Super Cobra-Jets on a final test-drive, before shipping them out Not sure if you heard of a Vic. Pomona Speed Shop, off route 202 in Pomona, NY. Not really a speed shop, but a 2-car garage behind his house (Vic's Auto Repair), with some speed parts in his side office. Got the Hemi Dart in (74'/75'..??) from the bus mechanic. Paul

11-10-2009, 09:04 AM	#223
mike koester 66 nova Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 20 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Original hemi dart information Mark J and Paul, Hot Rod Magazine put out a special Mopar collectors series in the winter of 2005, alot of rare pictures in the back section. Ronnie Sox racing Charlie Casaldo, Hemi Hunter, Hemi Power,and over 50 other hemi darts and cudas. one picture is Ed Miller in his cuda racing the Manhatten Speed Parts dart. some pictures are from 1968 and some were from 1969. some teams in early paint and lettering, and some in latter day paint. most pictures in black and white. its a great start for someone trying to figure some of this hemi history out.

11-10-2009, 09:21 AM	#224
mike koester 66 nova Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 20 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Original hemi dart information Mark J, did you ever do any more research on the two red DeFrank and Cohen cudas? One was red and yellow and sold to Lydon and Johnson in Penn. and the other all red car was sold to Don MacCallum. What do you think the history was on each car. Also I understand that Dell and you have allmost finished documenting most of these cars. Are you going to publish this information or going to try making it available to others trying to study the sport. Any help would be appreciated. Have many cars with their first owners. These cars sure did change hands over the years. I told Dell I would try and send him more pictures.

11-11-2009, 12:06 AM	#225
68hemiss Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 167 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Original hemi dart information Paul, I got your pictures, I am getting some ready to send to you. Looks like you have been doing some digging! I tried a few people but no luck on the Pomona Speed shop yet. Mark J

11-11-2009, 03:50 AM	#226
Paul Ceasrine VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,546 Likes: 0 Liked 10 Times in 10 Posts	Re: Original hemi dart information Mark, As you can see in the Dart photo. The rear quarter-panels are near perfect. Replaced stock units. I'm sure in 1980 or 1981, the original Hurst-modified units must have been dinged up pretty bad. Most guys just replaced the quarter-panels with stock units, and then had the rear-ends narrowed for the cleaner look? Also, I said earlier, the trunk-lid had a steel unit on, with the trim-panel. Unfortunately, thats all I have on the black Dart. As for the Pomona car, not too much info passing on this post. It appears that the original car went through Charles Singer Dodge in Kearney, New Jersey and/or Cy Greene Dodge in Manhassett, L.I., NY. I think the original purchaser came out of Corona (Queens), NY. Not too far from Manhassett. Jim B, mentioned that the Dart out of Cy Greene Dodge was a 4-speed, but as you know, that doesn't help much, as many racers immediately switched to automatics. PC

11-11-2009, 04:09 AM	#227
Paul Ceasrine VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,546 Likes: 0 Liked 10 Times in 10 Posts	Re: Original hemi dart information Mark J, Following up on the Pomona, NY Dart. As I said earlier, it was at Dover in late 75'. Painted dark gray, with Pomona Speed Parts lettered on the front fender (I think). It ran in brackets (no S/S there). Maybe a 11.70 or so, the car was worn-out-a-bit. The owner of the Dart wanted to trade me his car for the 440 Cuda' (photo I sent you). You see why I didn't do it. Then it disappeared, and Dover closed in May 76'. 4 years later, I'm selling automotive engine rebuilding equipment, and I end up in Pomona. The owner (Vic) in a 2-bay garage with a small parts store in his office wants to buy tooling for his Winona valve guide/seat machine. One thing leads to another, and there it was, on the side of his garage, the Hemi Dart. Not for Sale, and sitting for almost 4 years, (only occasionally street-raced in Nyack, NY and North Jersey) machine.

11-11-2009, 11:56 AM	#228
Bucky Hess Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Bunker Hill Posts: 181 Likes: 67 Liked 153 Times in 23 Posts	Re: Original hemi dart information 68hemiss Do you have any pictures of Tom Myl cuda Dell sent me 2 Thanks Bucky __________________ Bucky Hess 1426 SS/AH

11-11-2009, 03:51 PM	#229
Bob Rice Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: New Bern, NC Posts: 617 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Original hemi dart information Bucky, Email me at bobrice@embarqmail.com. I have a few. Bob Rice

11-12-2009, 06:35 PM	#230
jack arnew Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Posts: 47 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Original hemi dart information Around 1973 or 74 I purchased a original factory Dart from a black gentelman . We picked the car in Hamsted New York . The Dart had been in a fire in a local body shop,I think that was the story. Hood and dipped parts were in bad shape but were repairable, and the paint (white) blackened, all in all she was restorable.Brought it back to Baltimore and started to put the body back into original condition, but had an offer to sell (can't remember who),Have no idea where the car is now.It's been a long time ago but I beleave it was a stick , seems to me it had a Dana rear