Valve springs 340 Stocker Engine

Mike Coe · 09-30-2015, 12:55 PM

Need help finding a valve spring for my 340 stock eliminator engine. I have been using Isky Springs for years, but they do not have enough pressure for the cam I am running now. Installed height is 1.680 to 1.700. Would like 200 to 220 lbs. on the seat. I just tried to install a new conical spring Comp Cams came out with, but the seat pressure is 290 lbs with their retainer. Even with fifty thousands higher keepers pressure would be 270 lbs. Any advice would be appreciated. Mike Coe 5151 G/S

Mike Taylor 3601 · 09-30-2015, 01:20 PM

have you checked on Pac? 1409X is around that pressure,set up slightly shorter than you mentioned, I have set them up 215-220lbs about 425-450 with .430 lift.
They also have a BBC version that may work for you.
Manley has a few to choose from also.
Mike Taylor 3601

Mike Coe · 09-30-2015, 05:49 PM

Thanks for the reply Mike. None of the PAC springs will work and I checked out the 1409X and it won't work. I've been through every valve spring chart I can find and I haven't found anything that will work better than the Isky springs that are made by PSI. There is probably a spring out of a dual spring set that will work, but by looking at the charts I haven't run across it. If someone knows what others are using it would sure be appreciated. I've seen a couple that might work, but it would be close and I hate to buy several sets of springs and find out it's a no go. The inside diameter of the spring has to be about one inch and must travel about .520 for lift and coil bind clearance at the 1.680 to 1.700 installed height. The short installed height is the killer. Thanks, Mike Coe 5151

Bob Gullett · 09-30-2015, 06:27 PM

Sent you an email Mike.

Mike Coe · 09-30-2015, 07:07 PM

Thanks Bob. Anyone else with any suggestions? Come on go fast guys, I just need alittle spring pressure, that's all. LOL

TurboBuick6 · 10-01-2015, 11:45 AM

Mike,

Why exactly will the 1409X work? Need to know so I have an idea what to look for.

dartman · 10-01-2015, 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Coe

Thanks Bob. Anyone else with any suggestions? Come on go fast guys, I just need alittle spring pressure, that's all. LOL

Brad Van Lant will sale you what you need

573 346 1360

he's a go fast small block mopar guy

Mike Coe · 10-01-2015, 09:13 PM

Thanks for the replies.. Turbo, the reason the 1409X won't work is, the inside diameter of the spring is too small, I need at least 1.00 inch and when you squeeze that spring down to 1.680 installed height and then collapse it down .520 for cam lift and coil bind clearance it is at 1.16 and it says it coil binds at 1.19 inches. Kelly, thanks for the advice, I'll call Brad tomorrow and see what he says. If you don't care about the rule book, lots of springs can be made to work, but it says the head cannot be modified in anyway to install a valve spring. To me that says I can't cut the step off from the guide out to the valve spring pocket to accept a smaller inside diameter spring.. Also the valves must be stock demensions, so that leaves out installing a longer valve, which would also make things easier. The mopar short spring and installed height is just a big problem. Thanks for the replies and if anyone else knows what others are using, let me know, something has to work!! Mike

GTX JOHN · 10-02-2015, 12:59 AM

Mike:
I have fooled around with the expensive NASCAR springs and latest Beehive spring
with the new trick camshafts.
I went back to my 25 year old profiles and the ISKY springs again about
170 on seat and run just as well or a little better

That being said......My boy runs a complete Van Lant engine with all the new tech stuff ( We both believe Brad is the premier small block mopar guy to go to!) and is about .03 to .04 slower any given pass each time out (with identical twin Demons) which is still pretty good. He doesn't mind working constantly on his car and may find something someday.....Just not the last year or so.

I am too old and my back is too bad to struggle with all the valve train problems that the big spring pressures/ new cams profiles / Ceramic lifters generated for me for little or no perceptual gain and a LOT of money!

As Always you results may vary!

GTX JOHN · 10-02-2015, 01:12 AM

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09-30-2015, 12:55 PM	#1
Mike Coe Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Colorado Posts: 51 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Valve springs 340 Stocker Engine Need help finding a valve spring for my 340 stock eliminator engine. I have been using Isky Springs for years, but they do not have enough pressure for the cam I am running now. Installed height is 1.680 to 1.700. Would like 200 to 220 lbs. on the seat. I just tried to install a new conical spring Comp Cams came out with, but the seat pressure is 290 lbs with their retainer. Even with fifty thousands higher keepers pressure would be 270 lbs. Any advice would be appreciated. Mike Coe 5151 G/S

09-30-2015, 01:20 PM	#2
Mike Taylor 3601 VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Somerset,Ky Posts: 1,303 Likes: 198 Liked 116 Times in 48 Posts	Re: Valve springs 340 Stocker Engine have you checked on Pac? 1409X is around that pressure,set up slightly shorter than you mentioned, I have set them up 215-220lbs about 425-450 with .430 lift. They also have a BBC version that may work for you. Manley has a few to choose from also. Mike Taylor 3601

09-30-2015, 05:49 PM	#3
Mike Coe Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Colorado Posts: 51 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Valve springs 340 Stocker Engine Thanks for the reply Mike. None of the PAC springs will work and I checked out the 1409X and it won't work. I've been through every valve spring chart I can find and I haven't found anything that will work better than the Isky springs that are made by PSI. There is probably a spring out of a dual spring set that will work, but by looking at the charts I haven't run across it. If someone knows what others are using it would sure be appreciated. I've seen a couple that might work, but it would be close and I hate to buy several sets of springs and find out it's a no go. The inside diameter of the spring has to be about one inch and must travel about .520 for lift and coil bind clearance at the 1.680 to 1.700 installed height. The short installed height is the killer. Thanks, Mike Coe 5151

09-30-2015, 06:27 PM	#4
Bob Gullett VIP Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 1,069 Likes: 41 Liked 414 Times in 92 Posts	Re: Valve springs 340 Stocker Engine Sent you an email Mike. __________________ 68 Chevy11 327 F/S

09-30-2015, 07:07 PM	#5
Mike Coe Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Colorado Posts: 51 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Valve springs 340 Stocker Engine Thanks Bob. Anyone else with any suggestions? Come on go fast guys, I just need alittle spring pressure, that's all. LOL

10-01-2015, 11:45 AM	#6
TurboBuick6 Junior Member Join Date: May 2014 Posts: 26 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Valve springs 340 Stocker Engine Mike, Why exactly will the 1409X work? Need to know so I have an idea what to look for.

10-01-2015, 09:13 PM	#8
Mike Coe Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Colorado Posts: 51 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Valve springs 340 Stocker Engine Thanks for the replies.. Turbo, the reason the 1409X won't work is, the inside diameter of the spring is too small, I need at least 1.00 inch and when you squeeze that spring down to 1.680 installed height and then collapse it down .520 for cam lift and coil bind clearance it is at 1.16 and it says it coil binds at 1.19 inches. Kelly, thanks for the advice, I'll call Brad tomorrow and see what he says. If you don't care about the rule book, lots of springs can be made to work, but it says the head cannot be modified in anyway to install a valve spring. To me that says I can't cut the step off from the guide out to the valve spring pocket to accept a smaller inside diameter spring.. Also the valves must be stock demensions, so that leaves out installing a longer valve, which would also make things easier. The mopar short spring and installed height is just a big problem. Thanks for the replies and if anyone else knows what others are using, let me know, something has to work!! Mike

10-02-2015, 12:59 AM	#9
GTX JOHN VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Boulder City, Nevada 89005 Posts: 2,530 Likes: 2,222 Liked 1,808 Times in 572 Posts	Re: Valve springs 340 Stocker Engine Mike: I have fooled around with the expensive NASCAR springs and latest Beehive spring with the new trick camshafts. I went back to my 25 year old profiles and the ISKY springs again about 170 on seat and run just as well or a little better That being said......My boy runs a complete Van Lant engine with all the new tech stuff ( We both believe Brad is the premier small block mopar guy to go to!) and is about .03 to .04 slower any given pass each time out (with identical twin Demons) which is still pretty good. He doesn't mind working constantly on his car and may find something someday.....Just not the last year or so. I am too old and my back is too bad to struggle with all the valve train problems that the big spring pressures/ new cams profiles / Ceramic lifters generated for me for little or no perceptual gain and a LOT of money! As Always you results may vary! __________________ John Irving 741 Stock 741 Super Stock Last edited by GTX JOHN; 10-05-2015 at 05:55 AM.

10-02-2015, 01:12 AM	#10
GTX JOHN VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Boulder City, Nevada 89005 Posts: 2,530 Likes: 2,222 Liked 1,808 Times in 572 Posts	Re: Valve springs 340 Stocker Engine xx __________________ John Irving 741 Stock 741 Super Stock Last edited by GTX JOHN; 10-05-2015 at 05:54 AM.