Vp c-44

Mike Voth · 11-26-2008, 11:39 AM

I sent Bob Blackwell (D5 Technical Department) an email asking him why VP's C-44 fuel is not on the Accepted Fuels List. VP has told me on two different occations that it is a non-oxygenated fuel, but NHRA blacklisted it years ago. Upon questioning NHRA, Bob said he forwarded my email to Jim Collins for further review. Jim is the guy who developed the fuel testing system for NHRA. Bob told me that C-44 has "oxygenating properties", but would be looked into again to verify.

I haven't heard anything as of yet. It's only been a couple of weeks, and Jim has been away from home. So now I'm curious if anyone has any experience with C-44, or knows anything about it. We wanted to try it on the dyno soon for comparison purposes, but if it's illegal, we'll stick with C-11.

Anyone have any thoughts??

Bruce Noland · 11-26-2008, 12:49 PM

I saw some turn red and blow out of a test tube at Indy several years ago. It's worth HP but they will never approve it. Stick to the C-25 or 11.

Bob Sherwood · 11-27-2008, 12:09 AM

Mike , have you check the price? I didnt and bought a 55 gal drum and was a little shocked when I picked it up. $1300. 5 years ago ! I did dyno and use it . It's worth .05-.08 but no way will they ever accept it again. It evaporates like crazy, if you put some in bowl and put it out in the open , it is gone in seconds . All thats left is a lot of water droplets and it evaporates so fast the bowl turns cold! Bob

Mike Voth · 11-27-2008, 06:40 PM

Wow! Thanks gentlemen. Now my question turns to why VP still markets it as a Super Stock fuel. That makes no sense, and misleading.

Dad and I thought it might be worth trying, but it sounds a little like rocket fuel! I appreciate the information. We'll stick with good 'ol C-11!!!!

Bye the way, is this the same fuel that would burn with a sweet smell? I remember several years back smelling something like that in the staging lanes and thinking "What the _____??!!

Bruce Noland · 11-27-2008, 09:51 PM

This stuff (44-46) would burn the hide off a moose at 500 yards.

Mike Voth · 11-28-2008, 12:37 PM

That's the answer, Bruce! Marketing added an extra letter "H" to the acronym NRA. They're selling this stuff to the wrong association!

Bruce Noland · 11-28-2008, 12:43 PM

Mike,
That's a good one!

randy wilson · 11-28-2008, 04:19 PM

is c11 worth anything over c10

Dennis P Chapman · 11-28-2008, 04:33 PM

Not for me also C10 is unleaded.

Mike Voth · 11-28-2008, 05:31 PM

Right. C-10 is unleaded, so unless you put hardened valve seats in the heads, you'd be asking for a lot of trouble! Like micro-welding the valves/seats. Also, replacing the seats to run unleaded fuels just makes for the possibility of the seats coming loose and causing another big headache. Leaded fuel is the way to go, and until the government says otherwise, we'll leave the unleaded fuels, like C-10, for someone that doesn't BEAT the valve seats nearly as hard as we do!!

11-26-2008, 11:39 AM	#1
Mike Voth Live Reporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Buhler, KS Posts: 526 Likes: 5 Liked 40 Times in 13 Posts	Vp c-44 I sent Bob Blackwell (D5 Technical Department) an email asking him why VP's C-44 fuel is not on the Accepted Fuels List. VP has told me on two different occations that it is a non-oxygenated fuel, but NHRA blacklisted it years ago. Upon questioning NHRA, Bob said he forwarded my email to Jim Collins for further review. Jim is the guy who developed the fuel testing system for NHRA. Bob told me that C-44 has "oxygenating properties", but would be looked into again to verify. I haven't heard anything as of yet. It's only been a couple of weeks, and Jim has been away from home. So now I'm curious if anyone has any experience with C-44, or knows anything about it. We wanted to try it on the dyno soon for comparison purposes, but if it's illegal, we'll stick with C-11. Anyone have any thoughts?? __________________ Mike Voth 5189 GTN - 5188 GTO Voth Racing

11-26-2008, 12:49 PM	#2
Bruce Noland VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,855 Likes: 83 Liked 444 Times in 145 Posts	Re: Vp c-44 I saw some turn red and blow out of a test tube at Indy several years ago. It's worth HP but they will never approve it. Stick to the C-25 or 11. __________________ Bruce Noland 1788 STK

11-27-2008, 12:09 AM	#3
Bob Sherwood Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: South Dakota Posts: 142 Likes: 65 Liked 332 Times in 51 Posts	Re: Vp c-44 Mike , have you check the price? I didnt and bought a 55 gal drum and was a little shocked when I picked it up. $1300. 5 years ago ! I did dyno and use it . It's worth .05-.08 but no way will they ever accept it again. It evaporates like crazy, if you put some in bowl and put it out in the open , it is gone in seconds . All thats left is a lot of water droplets and it evaporates so fast the bowl turns cold! Bob

11-27-2008, 06:40 PM	#4
Mike Voth Live Reporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Buhler, KS Posts: 526 Likes: 5 Liked 40 Times in 13 Posts	Re: Vp c-44 Wow! Thanks gentlemen. Now my question turns to why VP still markets it as a Super Stock fuel. That makes no sense, and misleading. Dad and I thought it might be worth trying, but it sounds a little like rocket fuel! I appreciate the information. We'll stick with good 'ol C-11!!!! Bye the way, is this the same fuel that would burn with a sweet smell? I remember several years back smelling something like that in the staging lanes and thinking "What the _____??!! __________________ Mike Voth 5189 GTN - 5188 GTO Voth Racing Last edited by Mike Voth; 11-28-2008 at 12:31 PM.

11-27-2008, 09:51 PM	#5
Bruce Noland VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,855 Likes: 83 Liked 444 Times in 145 Posts	Re: Vp c-44 This stuff (44-46) would burn the hide off a moose at 500 yards. __________________ Bruce Noland 1788 STK

11-28-2008, 12:37 PM	#6
Mike Voth Live Reporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Buhler, KS Posts: 526 Likes: 5 Liked 40 Times in 13 Posts	Re: Vp c-44 That's the answer, Bruce! Marketing added an extra letter "H" to the acronym NRA. They're selling this stuff to the wrong association! __________________ Mike Voth 5189 GTN - 5188 GTO Voth Racing

11-28-2008, 12:43 PM	#7
Bruce Noland VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,855 Likes: 83 Liked 444 Times in 145 Posts	Re: Vp c-44 Mike, That's a good one! __________________ Bruce Noland 1788 STK

11-28-2008, 04:19 PM	#8
randy wilson Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: N/A Posts: 882 Likes: 0 Liked 20 Times in 20 Posts	Re: Vp c-44 is c11 worth anything over c10 __________________ don,t have one

11-28-2008, 04:33 PM	#9
Dennis P Chapman VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Toms River NJ Posts: 1,594 Likes: 401 Liked 52 Times in 24 Posts	Re: Vp c-44 Not for me also C10 is unleaded. __________________ Dennis P Chapman 1904 STK NHRA National Record Holder Car Owner.

11-28-2008, 05:31 PM	#10
Mike Voth Live Reporter Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Buhler, KS Posts: 526 Likes: 5 Liked 40 Times in 13 Posts	Re: Vp c-44 Right. C-10 is unleaded, so unless you put hardened valve seats in the heads, you'd be asking for a lot of trouble! Like micro-welding the valves/seats. Also, replacing the seats to run unleaded fuels just makes for the possibility of the seats coming loose and causing another big headache. Leaded fuel is the way to go, and until the government says otherwise, we'll leave the unleaded fuels, like C-10, for someone that doesn't BEAT the valve seats nearly as hard as we do!! __________________ Mike Voth 5189 GTN - 5188 GTO Voth Racing