Weight questions

Pinballer · 09-20-2016, 11:47 AM

As far as Div 3 is concerned, I've heard some grumbling about scales being off here and there. So what margin of error should I expect on scale variances from track to track in this division? 5? 10? 15lbs or more?
I'll have to run my T/SA car as close as possible to minimum weight and don't see the need to carry a whole lot of extra metal around in the truck if it won't be needed. Thanks.

Chris Barnes · 09-20-2016, 12:10 PM

The last Divisional race that I attended (Pacific Raceway, D6) the scales were 35-40# heavier than the other four divisionals that I've raced in this year, convenient since the NHRA recently gave me 6 horsepower for my birthday. Of course I didn't argue but they told me that they had been calibrated the night before! I have had tracks ask me about how the scales are reading before. I live down the street from a transfer station with very accurate scales and I generally try and carry an extra 40# or so to be safe.

Sean Marconette · 09-20-2016, 01:54 PM

Brian,
It does not matter what division you race in, every track has the same issues with scales. Even Heartland Park Topeka, and their scales are inside a building that we drive across. You will need to think about a ballast bar, or box unless you cannot get the car to min. I use lead shot and a ballast bar. I have 2 different bars, one that weighs 42 lbs empty and another that is 52 empty. The bar that is 52 lbs is 4"x6" tubing with a 2" pipe plug in the top. An antifreeze container will hold 40lbs of lead shot. The antifreeze containers hold up and all that's needed is a small shop vac to remove the lead shot from the bar.

Yes it's more stuff to have to haul but that is what it comes down to. You can have a 10 lb change just between passes even after topping off the fuel cell between the passes. So it would be best to plan on being able to add/remove weight to be able to compete. Otherwise you pay your entry fee and will be screwed if the car is not at min on that given time or day. That pass gets thrown out as a DQ, and if during eliminations your done.

Good luck
Sean

Rory McNeil · 09-20-2016, 03:02 PM

You always want to have the ability to add or subtract weight when attending races at different tracks, or even the same scale having some leeway, since many scales at tracks are graduated in 5 pound increments. Like Chris Barnes noted, I have seen the scales at Pacific Raceway vary a fair bit from one day to the next, so be prepared. In my Mustang, I was always able to add a fair bit of weight in fuel, as I still have the stock gas tank, and between a full tank, and adding a spare tire, I was able to get enough weight to drop down a class. If you are not about to have a heads up race, I see no good reason to always be right on the edge of being at the minimum legal weight. It would suck to have a run DQed for being 5 lbs light, especially in eliminations.

Pinballer · 09-20-2016, 03:56 PM

I get the part about adjusting the weight for the car/class, but does one track in Div 3 tend to run "light" on the scales and another one "heavy" time after time from previous racer experiences? I was just going to write them in the logbook and be prepared.

Jack McCarthy · 09-20-2016, 08:05 PM

I just stay 50-75 heavy unless it's a heads up or class (that never happens) so I cross that off my worry list .... Easy to take out .... Stays stored .... I just drive it

Ed Fernandez · 09-21-2016, 12:59 AM

Brian. when I had the gremlin minimum was 3,020. I always had the car at between 3,040 and 3,045. Never had a problem.The problem is either the calibration of the scales from track to track or more importantly if a track has a wooden floor and or if it rained recently. Wood absorbs water, making you think the car is heavier. When the water evaporates you appear to be lighter.Water can effect any scale if it accumulates under the floor. That was sometimes a problem at Numidia and Island Dragway. In short always try to get to the scales before you go up for your first shot of the day.

dwydendorf · 09-21-2016, 09:03 AM

Back in the early 1970's Marty Barrett was the division tech director for division 3. A friend was running his stocker and it was light. My friend told Marty that there was no way that the scales were right. Marty said the scales do not have to be right, they only have to be official. That means that you have to adjust your weight to the scales and it does not matter if the scales are calibrated right.

tim worner · 09-21-2016, 10:57 AM

The reply of running 50=60lbs heavy is good . Besides it's a lot easier to go faster when you want to.

savoyracer · 09-21-2016, 11:13 AM

little known fact...........wind across scales will affect the calibration and subsequent weights.

09-20-2016, 11:47 AM	#1
Pinballer Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Suburbs of fabulous Lerna IL Posts: 215 Likes: 10 Liked 13 Times in 7 Posts	Weight questions As far as Div 3 is concerned, I've heard some grumbling about scales being off here and there. So what margin of error should I expect on scale variances from track to track in this division? 5? 10? 15lbs or more? I'll have to run my T/SA car as close as possible to minimum weight and don't see the need to carry a whole lot of extra metal around in the truck if it won't be needed. Thanks. __________________ Brian Saunders Lerna IL '79 AMX T/SA 3790 currently being resurrected

09-20-2016, 12:10 PM	#2
Chris Barnes Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Posts: 139 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Weight questions The last Divisional race that I attended (Pacific Raceway, D6) the scales were 35-40# heavier than the other four divisionals that I've raced in this year, convenient since the NHRA recently gave me 6 horsepower for my birthday. Of course I didn't argue but they told me that they had been calibrated the night before! I have had tracks ask me about how the scales are reading before. I live down the street from a transfer station with very accurate scales and I generally try and carry an extra 40# or so to be safe.

09-20-2016, 01:54 PM	#3
Sean Marconette Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 963 Likes: 680 Liked 201 Times in 64 Posts	Re: Weight question Brian, It does not matter what division you race in, every track has the same issues with scales. Even Heartland Park Topeka, and their scales are inside a building that we drive across. You will need to think about a ballast bar, or box unless you cannot get the car to min. I use lead shot and a ballast bar. I have 2 different bars, one that weighs 42 lbs empty and another that is 52 empty. The bar that is 52 lbs is 4"x6" tubing with a 2" pipe plug in the top. An antifreeze container will hold 40lbs of lead shot. The antifreeze containers hold up and all that's needed is a small shop vac to remove the lead shot from the bar. Yes it's more stuff to have to haul but that is what it comes down to. You can have a 10 lb change just between passes even after topping off the fuel cell between the passes. So it would be best to plan on being able to add/remove weight to be able to compete. Otherwise you pay your entry fee and will be screwed if the car is not at min on that given time or day. That pass gets thrown out as a DQ, and if during eliminations your done. Good luck Sean __________________ Sean Marconette 84 Mustang 5060 SS/N

09-20-2016, 03:02 PM	#4
Rory McNeil VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: from Vancouver BC Canada, now in Nova Scotia Posts: 1,266 Likes: 255 Liked 967 Times in 269 Posts	Re: Weight questions You always want to have the ability to add or subtract weight when attending races at different tracks, or even the same scale having some leeway, since many scales at tracks are graduated in 5 pound increments. Like Chris Barnes noted, I have seen the scales at Pacific Raceway vary a fair bit from one day to the next, so be prepared. In my Mustang, I was always able to add a fair bit of weight in fuel, as I still have the stock gas tank, and between a full tank, and adding a spare tire, I was able to get enough weight to drop down a class. If you are not about to have a heads up race, I see no good reason to always be right on the edge of being at the minimum legal weight. It would suck to have a run DQed for being 5 lbs light, especially in eliminations. __________________ NHRA 6390 STK M/S 85 Mustang

09-20-2016, 03:56 PM	#5
Pinballer Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Location: Suburbs of fabulous Lerna IL Posts: 215 Likes: 10 Liked 13 Times in 7 Posts	Re: Weight questions I get the part about adjusting the weight for the car/class, but does one track in Div 3 tend to run "light" on the scales and another one "heavy" time after time from previous racer experiences? I was just going to write them in the logbook and be prepared. __________________ Brian Saunders Lerna IL '79 AMX T/SA 3790 currently being resurrected

09-20-2016, 08:05 PM	#6
Jack McCarthy VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: lyndon ky. ... louisville area Posts: 1,297 Likes: 25 Liked 379 Times in 101 Posts	Re: Weight questions I just stay 50-75 heavy unless it's a heads up or class (that never happens) so I cross that off my worry list .... Easy to take out .... Stays stored .... I just drive it __________________ Jack McCarthy 3609 STK "the Captain"

09-21-2016, 12:59 AM	#7
Ed Fernandez Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: NOO JOISEY nexta NOO YAWK Posts: 5,879 Likes: 38 Liked 100 Times in 45 Posts	Re: Weight questions Brian. when I had the gremlin minimum was 3,020. I always had the car at between 3,040 and 3,045. Never had a problem.The problem is either the calibration of the scales from track to track or more importantly if a track has a wooden floor and or if it rained recently. Wood absorbs water, making you think the car is heavier. When the water evaporates you appear to be lighter.Water can effect any scale if it accumulates under the floor. That was sometimes a problem at Numidia and Island Dragway. In short always try to get to the scales before you go up for your first shot of the day. __________________ Former NHRA #1945 Former IHRA #1945 T/SA

09-21-2016, 09:03 AM	#8
dwydendorf Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: michigan Posts: 162 Likes: 251 Liked 19 Times in 7 Posts	Re: Weight questions Back in the early 1970's Marty Barrett was the division tech director for division 3. A friend was running his stocker and it was light. My friend told Marty that there was no way that the scales were right. Marty said the scales do not have to be right, they only have to be official. That means that you have to adjust your weight to the scales and it does not matter if the scales are calibrated right. __________________ ss/gt 93 t-bird

09-21-2016, 10:57 AM	#9
tim worner Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: duncannon Posts: 837 Likes: 14 Liked 126 Times in 20 Posts	Re: Weight questions The reply of running 50=60lbs heavy is good . Besides it's a lot easier to go faster when you want to. __________________ Tim Worner SS 1747

09-21-2016, 11:13 AM	#10
savoyracer Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Myrtle Point Oregon Posts: 92 Likes: 3 Liked 9 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Weight questions little known fact...........wind across scales will affect the calibration and subsequent weights.