Turbo-Action E-Shift Controller

Bobby Zlatkin · 08-27-2007, 09:01 AM

We all know by now that what ever NHRA says is law. Makes no difference whether the call is correct or incorrect. Seems they would rather take it to the grave than admit they were wrong.

This first became obvious to me in the early to mid 1960's when Bill (Farmer) Dismuke bounced everyone that went through teardown with a Chevrolet '097' green strip solid lifter cam (270 & 283HP). Seems somewhere between GM & NHRA the wrong specs. got published. Even though a cam was gotten over the parts counter and run "out-of-the-tube", it was bounced. Dismuke, after a while at least, knew these guys weren't cheating. but wanted to make a point, ruling with blinders on. A lot of innocent racers (if there is such a thing) got hurt by the call that he knew was wrong.

The latest Turbo-Action Cheetah E-Shift for stockers ad in the Dragster shows that this exact same mentality still exists at the NHRA.

NHRA drew their line in the sand on this issue saying that all cars with fuel injection can use the E-Shift controller to automaticly shift and cars that came with carburetors, can not. Makes no difference if the cars original computers controlled the shifts or not.

The example used in the Turbo-Action ad is 1985 Camaro 305 fuel injection can use the E-Shift controller and 1985 Camaro carburetor can not. Neither car came from the factory with electronic shift.

Why would the fuel injection car be allowed an electronic shift and not the carbureted car? What happened to a level playing field?

Another example of how narrow minded NHRA can be.

Jeff Teuton · 08-27-2007, 12:08 PM

Bobby, you are right. When I ran the trucks, we used a 904, but it would have been ok to have the e-shift. I think there are tech meetings @ Indy. Now might be the time to send an email to tech, Len, or someone so that item might be addressed. I assume all the EFI GM cars already have this inasmuch as this was the original design. Does sorta seem to be a funny item.

Michael Beard · 08-27-2007, 12:50 PM

The E-Shift controller is an outside controller, which in my opinion does not have a place in Stock. If those computer-controlled cars can program their factory computer to handle the shifts, -=shrug=-, fine. Otherwise, pull the shifter yourself. It's more fun, anyhoo. If you want your automatic transmission to shift automatically, hands-free, then don't put a manual valve body in it. ;-)

They're fine for other classes where air/electric shifters are permitted. Sounds like a great product, like all of Turbo Action's stuff. This one's just not for Stock, in my opinion.

Just my $.02,

Woodro Josey · 08-27-2007, 05:57 PM

Who with a stick uses a clutch to shift by.

Mylin tell me what shifts the late model cars?

Chad Rhodes · 08-27-2007, 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Woodro Josey

Who with a stick uses a clutch to shift by.

Mylin tell me what shifts the late model cars?

either everyone gets them or no one gets them. thats the only fair way to do it

Michael Beard · 08-27-2007, 06:16 PM

>> As for the safety factor, if you are scared to pull the shifter with the front end hung up

If you're steering with any number of hands with the wheels in the air, umm... you're not doing anything. Pro Stockers drive with one hand. Where does an automatic shifter enter in as a safety device?

While we're talking safety, how about fire jackets mandatory for all drivers running 11.49-quicker?

Woodro Josey · 08-27-2007, 06:25 PM

Michael, what is wrong with the Jacket Rule?

LouisJeffery · 08-27-2007, 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Woodro Josey

Who with a stick uses a clutch to shift by.

Mylin tell me what shifts the late model cars?

Why hasn't anyone answered Woodro's question about stick cars?

Rich Biebel · 08-27-2007, 11:03 PM

I was wondering the same thing about the handshift guys

. My ears been listening to drag cars for many years and the stickshift cars I hear today don't always sound like what was normal years ago.....Maybe my ears are shot

LouisJeffery · 08-27-2007, 11:14 PM

This situation could be cured without changing the rule. Just add to the rule that if a electronic transmission is used it must be a production electronic transmission. No adding electronic shift solenoids to non electronic transmissions. Nobody ever produced a production electronic shift 3 speed automatic. So NO 200,904,C-4. Unless you want to shift manually.

08-27-2007, 09:01 AM	#1
Bobby Zlatkin Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Mills River, NC Posts: 417 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Turbo-Action E-Shift Controller We all know by now that what ever NHRA says is law. Makes no difference whether the call is correct or incorrect. Seems they would rather take it to the grave than admit they were wrong. This first became obvious to me in the early to mid 1960's when Bill (Farmer) Dismuke bounced everyone that went through teardown with a Chevrolet '097' green strip solid lifter cam (270 & 283HP). Seems somewhere between GM & NHRA the wrong specs. got published. Even though a cam was gotten over the parts counter and run "out-of-the-tube", it was bounced. Dismuke, after a while at least, knew these guys weren't cheating. but wanted to make a point, ruling with blinders on. A lot of innocent racers (if there is such a thing) got hurt by the call that he knew was wrong. The latest Turbo-Action Cheetah E-Shift for stockers ad in the Dragster shows that this exact same mentality still exists at the NHRA. NHRA drew their line in the sand on this issue saying that all cars with fuel injection can use the E-Shift controller to automaticly shift and cars that came with carburetors, can not. Makes no difference if the cars original computers controlled the shifts or not. The example used in the Turbo-Action ad is 1985 Camaro 305 fuel injection can use the E-Shift controller and 1985 Camaro carburetor can not. Neither car came from the factory with electronic shift. Why would the fuel injection car be allowed an electronic shift and not the carbureted car? What happened to a level playing field? Another example of how narrow minded NHRA can be. __________________ Bobby & Norene Zlatkin L/SA

08-27-2007, 12:08 PM	#2
Jeff Teuton VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Houma, LA Posts: 2,717 Likes: 2 Liked 326 Times in 50 Posts	Re: Turbo-Action E-Shift Controller Bobby, you are right. When I ran the trucks, we used a 904, but it would have been ok to have the e-shift. I think there are tech meetings @ Indy. Now might be the time to send an email to tech, Len, or someone so that item might be addressed. I assume all the EFI GM cars already have this inasmuch as this was the original design. Does sorta seem to be a funny item.

08-27-2007, 12:50 PM	#3
Michael Beard VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 4,060 Likes: 0 Liked 12 Times in 8 Posts	Re: Turbo-Action E-Shift Controller The E-Shift controller is an outside controller, which in my opinion does not have a place in Stock. If those computer-controlled cars can program their factory computer to handle the shifts, -=shrug=-, fine. Otherwise, pull the shifter yourself. It's more fun, anyhoo. If you want your automatic transmission to shift automatically, hands-free, then don't put a manual valve body in it. ;-) They're fine for other classes where air/electric shifters are permitted. Sounds like a great product, like all of Turbo Action's stuff. This one's just not for Stock, in my opinion. Just my $.02, __________________ Michael Beard - NHRA/IHRA 3216 S/SS

08-27-2007, 05:57 PM	#4
Woodro Josey Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 805 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 1 Post	Re: Turbo-Action E-Shift Controller Who with a stick uses a clutch to shift by. Mylin tell me what shifts the late model cars? __________________ Woodro Josey 2002 STK

08-27-2007, 06:16 PM	#6
Michael Beard VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Columbus, OH Posts: 4,060 Likes: 0 Liked 12 Times in 8 Posts	Re: Turbo-Action E-Shift Controller >> As for the safety factor, if you are scared to pull the shifter with the front end hung up If you're steering with any number of hands with the wheels in the air, umm... you're not doing anything. Pro Stockers drive with one hand. Where does an automatic shifter enter in as a safety device? While we're talking safety, how about fire jackets mandatory for all drivers running 11.49-quicker? __________________ Michael Beard - NHRA/IHRA 3216 S/SS

08-27-2007, 06:25 PM	#7
Woodro Josey Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 805 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 1 Post	Re: Turbo-Action E-Shift Controller Michael, what is wrong with the Jacket Rule? __________________ Woodro Josey 2002 STK

08-27-2007, 11:03 PM	#9
Rich Biebel VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Northern New Jersey suburbs Posts: 2,275 Likes: 25 Liked 510 Times in 200 Posts	Re: Turbo-Action E-Shift Controller I was wondering the same thing about the handshift guys. My ears been listening to drag cars for many years and the stickshift cars I hear today don't always sound like what was normal years ago.....Maybe my ears are shot __________________ Rich Biebel S/C 1479

08-27-2007, 11:14 PM	#10
LouisJeffery Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Detroit Posts: 53 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Turbo-Action E-Shift Controller This situation could be cured without changing the rule. Just add to the rule that if a electronic transmission is used it must be a production electronic transmission. No adding electronic shift solenoids to non electronic transmissions. Nobody ever produced a production electronic shift 3 speed automatic. So NO 200,904,C-4. Unless you want to shift manually.