Qualifying Points in TS and TD

Carl Juliano · 03-24-2009, 06:31 PM

Sounds like there are no more Qualifying points in ALL the Divisions, I heard from a reliable source that the 7 Div. Directors voted on this and the vote was 4-3 to drop the Q-points. Im sure this will stir up some debate, so lets hear some opinions guys.....I personally dont care, although it does benefit my situation cause my car never gets into the top 16 anyway.

JohnsRacecraft · 03-24-2009, 11:55 PM

I know this may seem like a Bias opinion because I do run a fairly quick car but heres what I think.

If you run a car quick enough to qualify up top, you probably are running close to or below the 7 second barrier which usually means you have a harder time getting down the track and your alot more suseptable to weather/track conditions, for this I believe you should be rewarded with a few extra points.

But I also think a good argument to this would be that you are already awarded with lane choice, which is very good to have as well.........

sooooooo all in all It doesnt matter to me either.

just my .02 cents

Ryan Ondrejko

pentastarrail · 03-25-2009, 05:32 AM

I think NHRA just wants us all to run Super Pro, that's what they are turning it in to.

Why have a qualified field if your not qualifying for anything?
Big deal you get to see who you're going to race. You're going to have to get through every one if you're going to make it to the top so what difference does it make and unless you are number one you are going to have to give up lane choice sooner or later.
Oh, I know, instead of qualifying points they are going to pay the top 8 qualifiers $500 each.

What's next a bump of 9.90?
They'll kill it.

Carl Juliano · 03-25-2009, 08:06 AM

I agree with Ryan, you qualify for lane choice, and also a possible 1st rnd bye which is huge in a 5 round race, also you get to "chase" instead of being chased. I still think there is incentive to be faster than the next guy. My opinion is that we may see guys backing off a bit to get more consistant, the need to put it on "kill" for a run may not be necessary anymore.

Mick Smallridge · 03-25-2009, 08:56 AM

Hi Everyone, The fact is that there WILL be Qualifying points awarded this season in Top Sportsman & Top Dragster in Division 1 as in the past. This topic was talked about in lenth last season within Divisions when putting the rules together for the 2009 rule book. At that time it was decided that each Division could do what they think is best for there own program. Division one decided to continue the Qualifying points for 2009 because we do feel that the fast cars should be rewarded for their efforts. If anyone ever has a question about these two classes feel free to call myself or the Division one office for the facts. Hope this info helps. take care Mick......................

ScottHall · 03-25-2009, 09:39 AM

The man has spoken...................................

Every one can run there stuff on kill now and get a pat on the back.......

180 hours and counting....I'm ready!!!!!!

Carl Juliano · 03-25-2009, 09:44 AM

Thanks for clearing that up Mick.....so much for my reliable source!..lol, sorry if I got any blood flowing...lol

Michael Galofaro · 03-25-2009, 09:54 AM

You might have some guys that continue to run fast - but I will be the first to admit it will not be me. I'll build another bracket motor and join the rest of our field and run 7.30-7.50's.
A great way to put a standstill to the growth of the class !!!! The only time there are fast bumps are races like the recent sportnationals. We had 50 cars at atcos last race and the bump was in the 7.60's

1 156 Michael Galofaro, Lincoln Park NJ, M&M-Chevy 6.519 208.14 208.14
2 107 Warren Heaps, Ashland MA, Dragster-Chevy 6.547 205.66 205.66
3 109N Ryan Ondrejko, Roslindale MA, RaceCraft-GM 6.833 199.97 199.97
4 103D Joe DeCuara, Nesconcest NY, S&W-Chevy 6.850 200.32 200.32
5 129E Gary Koebbe, Fairfield CT, Undercover-BBC 6.885 196.30 196.30
6 168 Wayne Hofmann, New Preston CT, Dragster-BBC 6.885 196.04 196.04
7 1963 Ed Alessi Jr, Bethpage NY, Dragster-Chevy 6.893 193.38 193.38
8 1951 Bob Wolkwitz, Darien CT, Undercover-Chevy 6.917 192.93 192.93
9 2272 Malinda Bertozzi, Ashland VA, RaceTech-Chevy 6.920 193.54 193.54
10 113D Frank Zeffiro, Winchester Center CT, Bos 6.924 219.15 219.15
11 12 Mike Sullivan, W Peabody MA, Undercover-Chevy 6.949 193.18 193.18
12 1446 Joe DiPasquale, Palmyra NJ, Miller-Chevy 6.984 187.21 187.21
13 1135 Laura Zeffiro, Winchester Center CT, BOS-Mopar 6.991 190.14 190.14
14 1403 Tom Henry, Boyertown PA, RaceTech-Chevy 7.004 191.76 191.76
15 161 Kevin Sway, Atco NJ, S&W-Chevy 7.007 188.99 188.99
16 120A Glenn Flack, Sewell NJ, ChassisCraft-Chevy 7.015 195.96 195.96
17 139E Scott Albrecht, Jackson NJ, RaceTech-Chevy 7.026 190.43 190.43
18 174M John Maggiulli Jr, Chester NJ, ProStart-Chevy 7.027 190.65 190.65
19 1545 Ron Ciglar, Egg Harbor CT, RaceTech-Chevy 7.047 188.54 188.54
20 1360 Jamie Sarracco, Watertown CT, Undercover-Chevy 7.098 189.15 189.15
21 150A Scott Luken, Parkville MD, Bantam-Chevy 7.125 187.73 187.73
22 140 Jerry Thomas, Alburtis PA, Undercover-Chevy 7.159 188.20 188.20
23 B175 Jason Hoff, Littlestown PA, RaceTech-Chevy 7.186 185.10 185.10
24 1535 Anthony Iacono, Shamong NJ, Undercover-Chevy 7.190 187.08 187.08
25 102P David Petrofske, Lititz PA, Precision-Chevy 7.234 187.29 187.29
26 7182 John Taylor Sr., Queen Creek AZ, Quay-Chevy 7.258 187.91 187.91
27 1147 Gary Carbone, Cortlandt Manor NY, C&F-Chevy 7.265 194.38 194.38
28 107F Nick Rakowski, Phoenixville PA, KensKustom-Che 7.311 185.23 185.23
29 178H Andre Brown, Browns Mills NJ, Chesman-Chevy 7.350 181.23 181.23
30 1212 Jackie Fricke, Flemington NJ, RaceTech-Chevy 7.352 181.20 181.20
31 185F Michael Trangone, Parsippany NJ, S&W-Chevy 7.355 182.23 182.23
32 191M Brian Hansbury, E Nassau NY, Spitzer-Chevy 7.363 185.59 185.59
33 X196 John Gentry, Bensalem PA, Quay-Chevy 7.376 179.88 179.88
34 171M John Taylor Jr., Queen Creek AZ, Quay-Schmidt 7.403 179.88 180.79
35 110P Mike Croce, E Rockaway NY, RaceTech-Chevy 7.450 179.56 179.56
36 105B Rob Lombardi, Bayport NY, Quay-Chevy 7.461 178.21 178.26
37 129D John Martin, Cream Ridge NJ, Quay-Chevy 7.467 179.04 179.04
38 1348 Bob DiNino, Waterbury CT, Dragster-Chevy 7.503 178.61 178.61
39 154H John Steck Jr., Atco NJ, Worthy-Chevy 7.510 177.07 177.07
40 1221 Howard Zane, Williamstown NJ, Cressman-Chevy 7.522 175.64 175.64
41 1031 Bill Krause, Conowingo MD, Chass Eng-Chevy 7.523 205.38 205.38
42 180E Lou Vasger, Langhorne PA, S&W-Chevy 7.529 176.44 176.44
43 164E Beau Cantera, Medford NJ, S&W-Chevy 7.533 176.28 176.28
44 1608 Dom Balducci, Voorhees NJ, Undercover-Chevy 7.536 179.92 179.92
45 125 Bob Armstrong, Peabody MA, Undercover-GM 7.543 176.77 176.77
46 115F Ted Ritchie, Collegeville PA, Dragster-Chevy 7.564 177.67 177.67
47 1531 Bill Krug Jr., Albany NY, ABS-Chevy 7.635 176.19 176.19

------------ Not Qualified ------------

48 1167 William Masiello, Shelton CT, Neil&Parks-Chevy 7.835 169.27 169.27
49 141Q Frak Nicolia, East Islip NY, Spitzer-Chevy NT

Listen not to sound like a complete *** - but in my opinion this is NOT TOP anything racing - 1/2 of the field was the normanl bracket race crowd at atco - which as Frank stated is Super Pro. Oh an people who have issues about dialing within a certain amount of their qualifying pass is ridiculous - I did dial 6.85 or so first round and that was still good for number 4 spot. If people don't like that they have the option of stepping up to run faster so I or anyone cannot do that. Oh and here is a question - say I do run it hard and start to knock the rings out - (run 6.50 to qualify) and now want to not do any damage and race it and dial 6.90. What I just lose??Just my opinion but they should either keep the points and the current rules or lower the max dial. Every person at this race can get into the 6's with a system.
Either way nothing we can do about it and must race with whatever rules they give us. I for one will not race if division 1 adopts these rules. I built my car to run a specific class and gave it a few years to catch on - sadly it has not. I have no issue just running IHRA Nationals and a few home series that like fast cars and encourage them. It took IHRA 10 years to get the class back to a decent field - looks like NHRA is going to follow their lead and put the growth on hold. SAD !!!

And Frank had a great point - why have a qualified field in the first place then ?? Just race who you line up next to - because it is only a bracket race as people have stated.

pentastarrail · 03-25-2009, 10:44 AM

Thanks Mick.

I guess I should go take my blood pressure meds now.

Carl,
No harm no foul.

It's just the way I feel. I personally LOVE "on KILL" and love to see low numbers with big MPH.
Realistically (to me) these are the BADDEST classes around.
Not Pro teams, just normal guys trying to rotate the earth.

It's COOL.

krugracing12 · 03-25-2009, 11:06 AM

Mike
The only reason there was close to a full field is because the local guys decided to come. Atco is fortunate to have the amount of fast cars it has. Going 6's might the biggest craze down south but Top Dragster is still a bracket race, and as the last qualifier on the sheet I still had the same chance to win the race as you did as #1 qualifier. I doubt there will be anywhere near a full field at Atco next weekend. In this economy I believe the fields will be much smaller in general this year. National event entries are way down, that has to reflect on the Divisionals or Opens. Either way I will limp in to Atco with my 7.60 (7.50 with a tailwind) car and have a shot at it.

Bill

03-24-2009, 11:55 PM	#2
JohnsRacecraft Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Boston, Ma Posts: 12 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Qualifying Points in TS and TD I know this may seem like a Bias opinion because I do run a fairly quick car but heres what I think. If you run a car quick enough to qualify up top, you probably are running close to or below the 7 second barrier which usually means you have a harder time getting down the track and your alot more suseptable to weather/track conditions, for this I believe you should be rewarded with a few extra points. But I also think a good argument to this would be that you are already awarded with lane choice, which is very good to have as well......... sooooooo all in all It doesnt matter to me either. just my .02 cents Ryan Ondrejko

03-25-2009, 05:32 AM	#3
pentastarrail Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 91 Likes: 1 Liked 14 Times in 5 Posts	Re: Qualifying Points in TS and TD I think NHRA just wants us all to run Super Pro, that's what they are turning it in to. Why have a qualified field if your not qualifying for anything? Big deal you get to see who you're going to race. You're going to have to get through every one if you're going to make it to the top so what difference does it make and unless you are number one you are going to have to give up lane choice sooner or later. Oh, I know, instead of qualifying points they are going to pay the top 8 qualifiers $500 each. What's next a bump of 9.90? They'll kill it.

03-25-2009, 08:06 AM	#4
Carl Juliano Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Queens, NYC Posts: 286 Likes: 197 Liked 59 Times in 21 Posts	Re: Qualifying Points in TS and TD I agree with Ryan, you qualify for lane choice, and also a possible 1st rnd bye which is huge in a 5 round race, also you get to "chase" instead of being chased. I still think there is incentive to be faster than the next guy. My opinion is that we may see guys backing off a bit to get more consistant, the need to put it on "kill" for a run may not be necessary anymore. __________________ Carl Juliano TS 1275 John Juliano SG 151 Carl Sr.

03-25-2009, 08:56 AM	#5
Mick Smallridge Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Posts: 93 Likes: 19 Liked 22 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Qualifying Points in TS and TD Hi Everyone, The fact is that there WILL be Qualifying points awarded this season in Top Sportsman & Top Dragster in Division 1 as in the past. This topic was talked about in lenth last season within Divisions when putting the rules together for the 2009 rule book. At that time it was decided that each Division could do what they think is best for there own program. Division one decided to continue the Qualifying points for 2009 because we do feel that the fast cars should be rewarded for their efforts. If anyone ever has a question about these two classes feel free to call myself or the Division one office for the facts. Hope this info helps. take care Mick......................

03-25-2009, 09:39 AM	#6
ScottHall Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 43 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Qualifying Points in TS and TD The man has spoken................................... Every one can run there stuff on kill now and get a pat on the back....... 180 hours and counting....I'm ready!!!!!!

03-24-2009, 06:31 PM	#1
Carl Juliano Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Queens, NYC Posts: 286 Likes: 197 Liked 59 Times in 21 Posts	Qualifying Points in TS and TD Sounds like there are no more Qualifying points in ALL the Divisions, I heard from a reliable source that the 7 Div. Directors voted on this and the vote was 4-3 to drop the Q-points. Im sure this will stir up some debate, so lets hear some opinions guys.....I personally dont care, although it does benefit my situation cause my car never gets into the top 16 anyway. __________________ Carl Juliano TS 1275 John Juliano SG 151 Carl Sr.

03-25-2009, 09:44 AM	#7
Carl Juliano Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Queens, NYC Posts: 286 Likes: 197 Liked 59 Times in 21 Posts	Re: Qualifying Points in TS and TD Thanks for clearing that up Mick.....so much for my reliable source!..lol, sorry if I got any blood flowing...lol __________________ Carl Juliano TS 1275 John Juliano SG 151 Carl Sr.

03-25-2009, 09:54 AM	#8
Michael Galofaro Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 58 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Qualifying Points in TS and TD You might have some guys that continue to run fast - but I will be the first to admit it will not be me. I'll build another bracket motor and join the rest of our field and run 7.30-7.50's. A great way to put a standstill to the growth of the class !!!! The only time there are fast bumps are races like the recent sportnationals. We had 50 cars at atcos last race and the bump was in the 7.60's 1 156 Michael Galofaro, Lincoln Park NJ, M&M-Chevy 6.519 208.14 208.14 2 107 Warren Heaps, Ashland MA, Dragster-Chevy 6.547 205.66 205.66 3 109N Ryan Ondrejko, Roslindale MA, RaceCraft-GM 6.833 199.97 199.97 4 103D Joe DeCuara, Nesconcest NY, S&W-Chevy 6.850 200.32 200.32 5 129E Gary Koebbe, Fairfield CT, Undercover-BBC 6.885 196.30 196.30 6 168 Wayne Hofmann, New Preston CT, Dragster-BBC 6.885 196.04 196.04 7 1963 Ed Alessi Jr, Bethpage NY, Dragster-Chevy 6.893 193.38 193.38 8 1951 Bob Wolkwitz, Darien CT, Undercover-Chevy 6.917 192.93 192.93 9 2272 Malinda Bertozzi, Ashland VA, RaceTech-Chevy 6.920 193.54 193.54 10 113D Frank Zeffiro, Winchester Center CT, Bos 6.924 219.15 219.15 11 12 Mike Sullivan, W Peabody MA, Undercover-Chevy 6.949 193.18 193.18 12 1446 Joe DiPasquale, Palmyra NJ, Miller-Chevy 6.984 187.21 187.21 13 1135 Laura Zeffiro, Winchester Center CT, BOS-Mopar 6.991 190.14 190.14 14 1403 Tom Henry, Boyertown PA, RaceTech-Chevy 7.004 191.76 191.76 15 161 Kevin Sway, Atco NJ, S&W-Chevy 7.007 188.99 188.99 16 120A Glenn Flack, Sewell NJ, ChassisCraft-Chevy 7.015 195.96 195.96 17 139E Scott Albrecht, Jackson NJ, RaceTech-Chevy 7.026 190.43 190.43 18 174M John Maggiulli Jr, Chester NJ, ProStart-Chevy 7.027 190.65 190.65 19 1545 Ron Ciglar, Egg Harbor CT, RaceTech-Chevy 7.047 188.54 188.54 20 1360 Jamie Sarracco, Watertown CT, Undercover-Chevy 7.098 189.15 189.15 21 150A Scott Luken, Parkville MD, Bantam-Chevy 7.125 187.73 187.73 22 140 Jerry Thomas, Alburtis PA, Undercover-Chevy 7.159 188.20 188.20 23 B175 Jason Hoff, Littlestown PA, RaceTech-Chevy 7.186 185.10 185.10 24 1535 Anthony Iacono, Shamong NJ, Undercover-Chevy 7.190 187.08 187.08 25 102P David Petrofske, Lititz PA, Precision-Chevy 7.234 187.29 187.29 26 7182 John Taylor Sr., Queen Creek AZ, Quay-Chevy 7.258 187.91 187.91 27 1147 Gary Carbone, Cortlandt Manor NY, C&F-Chevy 7.265 194.38 194.38 28 107F Nick Rakowski, Phoenixville PA, KensKustom-Che 7.311 185.23 185.23 29 178H Andre Brown, Browns Mills NJ, Chesman-Chevy 7.350 181.23 181.23 30 1212 Jackie Fricke, Flemington NJ, RaceTech-Chevy 7.352 181.20 181.20 31 185F Michael Trangone, Parsippany NJ, S&W-Chevy 7.355 182.23 182.23 32 191M Brian Hansbury, E Nassau NY, Spitzer-Chevy 7.363 185.59 185.59 33 X196 John Gentry, Bensalem PA, Quay-Chevy 7.376 179.88 179.88 34 171M John Taylor Jr., Queen Creek AZ, Quay-Schmidt 7.403 179.88 180.79 35 110P Mike Croce, E Rockaway NY, RaceTech-Chevy 7.450 179.56 179.56 36 105B Rob Lombardi, Bayport NY, Quay-Chevy 7.461 178.21 178.26 37 129D John Martin, Cream Ridge NJ, Quay-Chevy 7.467 179.04 179.04 38 1348 Bob DiNino, Waterbury CT, Dragster-Chevy 7.503 178.61 178.61 39 154H John Steck Jr., Atco NJ, Worthy-Chevy 7.510 177.07 177.07 40 1221 Howard Zane, Williamstown NJ, Cressman-Chevy 7.522 175.64 175.64 41 1031 Bill Krause, Conowingo MD, Chass Eng-Chevy 7.523 205.38 205.38 42 180E Lou Vasger, Langhorne PA, S&W-Chevy 7.529 176.44 176.44 43 164E Beau Cantera, Medford NJ, S&W-Chevy 7.533 176.28 176.28 44 1608 Dom Balducci, Voorhees NJ, Undercover-Chevy 7.536 179.92 179.92 45 125 Bob Armstrong, Peabody MA, Undercover-GM 7.543 176.77 176.77 46 115F Ted Ritchie, Collegeville PA, Dragster-Chevy 7.564 177.67 177.67 47 1531 Bill Krug Jr., Albany NY, ABS-Chevy 7.635 176.19 176.19 ------------ Not Qualified ------------ 48 1167 William Masiello, Shelton CT, Neil&Parks-Chevy 7.835 169.27 169.27 49 141Q Frak Nicolia, East Islip NY, Spitzer-Chevy NT Listen not to sound like a complete *** - but in my opinion this is NOT TOP anything racing - 1/2 of the field was the normanl bracket race crowd at atco - which as Frank stated is Super Pro. Oh an people who have issues about dialing within a certain amount of their qualifying pass is ridiculous - I did dial 6.85 or so first round and that was still good for number 4 spot. If people don't like that they have the option of stepping up to run faster so I or anyone cannot do that. Oh and here is a question - say I do run it hard and start to knock the rings out - (run 6.50 to qualify) and now want to not do any damage and race it and dial 6.90. What I just lose??Just my opinion but they should either keep the points and the current rules or lower the max dial. Every person at this race can get into the 6's with a system. Either way nothing we can do about it and must race with whatever rules they give us. I for one will not race if division 1 adopts these rules. I built my car to run a specific class and gave it a few years to catch on - sadly it has not. I have no issue just running IHRA Nationals and a few home series that like fast cars and encourage them. It took IHRA 10 years to get the class back to a decent field - looks like NHRA is going to follow their lead and put the growth on hold. SAD !!! And Frank had a great point - why have a qualified field in the first place then ?? Just race who you line up next to - because it is only a bracket race as people have stated. Last edited by Michael Galofaro; 03-25-2009 at 10:31 AM.

03-25-2009, 10:44 AM	#9
pentastarrail Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 91 Likes: 1 Liked 14 Times in 5 Posts	Re: Qualifying Points in TS and TD Thanks Mick. I guess I should go take my blood pressure meds now. Carl, No harm no foul. It's just the way I feel. I personally LOVE "on KILL" and love to see low numbers with big MPH. Realistically (to me) these are the BADDEST classes around. Not Pro teams, just normal guys trying to rotate the earth. It's COOL.

03-25-2009, 11:06 AM	#10
krugracing12 Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 171 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Qualifying Points in TS and TD Mike The only reason there was close to a full field is because the local guys decided to come. Atco is fortunate to have the amount of fast cars it has. Going 6's might the biggest craze down south but Top Dragster is still a bracket race, and as the last qualifier on the sheet I still had the same chance to win the race as you did as #1 qualifier. I doubt there will be anywhere near a full field at Atco next weekend. In this economy I believe the fields will be much smaller in general this year. National event entries are way down, that has to reflect on the Divisionals or Opens. Either way I will limp in to Atco with my 7.60 (7.50 with a tailwind) car and have a shot at it. Bill