Some "Dime Rockets" for the 4TH! - Page 39

Billy Nees · 02-07-2014, 08:56 AM

From what brain cells that I have left, I seem to recall the 1.21 Dual-Jet flows about 290 CFM, the 1.18 2G about 320 CFM, the small-base 1.092G about 260 CFM. I've never played with a large-base 1.09 2G but I will assume(there I go ASSuming again) that because of it's larger and better shaped airhorn it would do better than a small-base 1.09.

Joe Toller · 02-08-2014, 03:43 PM

For the AMC guys: 77 Matador Coupe, 304/180 in U? These are a unique car, no doubt, and if someone wanted one, there are four (yep, four) of these coupes in my local salvage yard, including a very nice tan on tan model. Ahh, another snowy Saturday...

Tom keedle · 02-08-2014, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Joe Toller

For the AMC guys: 77 Matador Coupe, 304/180 in U? These are a unique car, no doubt, and if someone wanted one, there are four (yep, four) of these coupes in my local salvage yard, including a very nice tan on tan model. Ahh, another snowy Saturday...

wish they weren't so far away (and heavy)....
had one a while back that god didn't like, dropped a boulder on it and kinda hosed the roof...only had 36K on the clock,too.

btw, anther U/S car....221cid 62 fairlane...no, I don't have one but it'd be different

Billy Nees · 02-08-2014, 08:11 PM

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btw, anther U/S car....221cid 62 fairlane...no, I don't have one but it'd be different

There's a 2dr. hdtp in my local yard that could be brought back. REALLY small carb(.097 venturi) and no modern autos bolt up. I always wanted to see a 255 Ford combo but the 302 "thing" makes it redundant.

Joe Toller · 02-08-2014, 08:28 PM

Isnt the 221 similar to the 260 and early 289 5-bolt bell? I thought there was a C4 bellto 5 bolt block but maybe it's aftermarket?

goinbroke2 · 02-09-2014, 01:05 AM

Billy a few years ago there was a 255 mustang that was like .-3 after lots of work. The tiny ports on a 255 are laughable.
I think I saw it in Nitro's Joes Stats.
"Red" comes to mind for some reason, either the mustang was red or the guys name was red...or was it "Rich"....

I got "craft" disease, Can't Remember A Fing Thing.

Joe, yes the 221 was the original windsor before boring/stroking up to 302, but I think it only had the fordomatic tranny which was replaced by the c4 in 64 or 65. I think the last year of the 221 was 63. But, the 289 had 5 bolts in 64 and the c4 started in 64..so maybe there was a 64 5 bolt c4 for a 289? But I really don't think so. I'd say it would have to be aftermarket.

Mark Yacavone · 02-09-2014, 01:24 AM

If you really want to throw money down a rat hole, just sleeve all 8 in a 260 block.

Robert Swartz · 02-09-2014, 02:28 PM

Mark, Billy, man, you guys are making me feel really old. Talking about 221 and 260 Fords, LOL! I Haven't heard of anyone messing with either of those motors for 40 years. One of the neighbor girls had a boyfriend back home that ran a 63-64 Fairlane with a 260 when I was a 13-14 year old kid. Her brothers and he would prep the car. They'd flat tow it down to Freedom Dragstrip (now called New Hope). Then come home, change the rear tires, put the mufflers back on it, go cruising on Sunday nite, show off the trophy at the Drive Ins. That would've been about 1968. Even being a dumb country boy buried in the sticks, I remember there were a lot of nice cars running around back then.

These would be tough engines to find parts for, today. Unlike 265 or even 283 Chevy's. I doubt much of this stuff was hoarded or held onto. Heads, intakes and usable carburetors would be fun! What about legal pistons. Other than maybe something left on a dusty shelf, could you even get pistons for either of these engines, now? Talk about a challenge

Joe Toller · 12-30-2018, 12:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Billy Nees

No. The dual-jet and the 2GC have a different bolt pattern. I've had a 79 Caprice and a 79 Camaro, 305s both that had dual-jets on them. I wouldn't doubt that it has something to do with where the cars were built and what plant supplied the engines.

How does one go about fixing this? The tech sheet calls for what looks like the 2GC though the intake is not?. I could swap grilles and make a 77 ( have to change header panel too) or 78 (run in T) but the 79 is a favorable U. Looking at a 79 Caprice 2dr, the funky sloped back window version.

Billy Nees · 12-30-2018, 08:25 AM

Make it a 77.

02-07-2014, 08:56 AM	#381
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Joe Toller Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Lewistown, Montana Posts: 550 Likes: 78 Liked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Some "Dime Rockets" for the 4TH! For the AMC guys: 77 Matador Coupe, 304/180 in U? These are a unique car, no doubt, and if someone wanted one, there are four (yep, four) of these coupes in my local salvage yard, including a very nice tan on tan model. Ahh, another snowy Saturday... __________________ Joe Toller Lewistown, MT Last edited by Joe Toller; 02-08-2014 at 03:46 PM.

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Joe Toller Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Lewistown, Montana Posts: 550 Likes: 78 Liked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Some "Dime Rockets" for the 4TH! Isnt the 221 similar to the 260 and early 289 5-bolt bell? I thought there was a C4 bellto 5 bolt block but maybe it's aftermarket? __________________ Joe Toller Lewistown, MT

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goinbroke2 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NS CANADA Posts: 707 Likes: 583 Liked 173 Times in 59 Posts	Re: Some "Dime Rockets" for the 4TH! Billy a few years ago there was a 255 mustang that was like .-3 after lots of work. The tiny ports on a 255 are laughable. I think I saw it in Nitro's Joes Stats. "Red" comes to mind for some reason, either the mustang was red or the guys name was red...or was it "Rich".... I got "craft" disease, Can't Remember A Fing Thing. Joe, yes the 221 was the original windsor before boring/stroking up to 302, but I think it only had the fordomatic tranny which was replaced by the c4 in 64 or 65. I think the last year of the 221 was 63. But, the 289 had 5 bolts in 64 and the c4 started in 64..so maybe there was a 64 5 bolt c4 for a 289? But I really don't think so. I'd say it would have to be aftermarket.

02-09-2014, 01:24 AM	#387
Mark Yacavone Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Miles From Nowhere Posts: 7,414 Likes: 2,579 Liked 4,447 Times in 1,693 Posts	Re: Some "Dime Rockets" for the 4TH! If you really want to throw money down a rat hole, just sleeve all 8 in a 260 block. __________________ We are lucky we don't get as much Government as we pay for..... Will Rogers

02-09-2014, 02:28 PM	#388
Robert Swartz Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Nineveh, Indiana Posts: 512 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: Some "Dime Rockets" for the 4TH! Mark, Billy, man, you guys are making me feel really old. Talking about 221 and 260 Fords, LOL! I Haven't heard of anyone messing with either of those motors for 40 years. One of the neighbor girls had a boyfriend back home that ran a 63-64 Fairlane with a 260 when I was a 13-14 year old kid. Her brothers and he would prep the car. They'd flat tow it down to Freedom Dragstrip (now called New Hope). Then come home, change the rear tires, put the mufflers back on it, go cruising on Sunday nite, show off the trophy at the Drive Ins. That would've been about 1968. Even being a dumb country boy buried in the sticks, I remember there were a lot of nice cars running around back then. These would be tough engines to find parts for, today. Unlike 265 or even 283 Chevy's. I doubt much of this stuff was hoarded or held onto. Heads, intakes and usable carburetors would be fun! What about legal pistons. Other than maybe something left on a dusty shelf, could you even get pistons for either of these engines, now? Talk about a challenge __________________ Robert Swartz - Swartz & Lane 66 Chevy II Pro 95 Achieva EF/SA, 78 Mustang II U/SA (work in progress) #354 stock

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Billy Nees VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: On a hilltop in Pa. Posts: 4,218 Likes: 3,091 Liked 6,772 Times in 1,519 Posts	Re: Some "Dime Rockets" for the 4TH! Make it a 77. __________________ Billy Nees 1188 STK, SS Make tech "TECH" again!