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Old 08-01-2014, 05:53 PM   #1
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...in America?

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Old 08-01-2014, 06:00 PM   #2
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Calm down, there are some importers that are importing european vehicles that have swapped VINs claiming they are older than they are. 20 year old vehicles are exempt from Federal emission and DOT standards. They take a newer Land Rover and re VIN and title it as a 20 year old model. This is really popular with Land Rovers and the classic Mini. Ive seen plenty of Minis which I know are late 90s and later model years being represented as much earlier models.
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Calm down, there are some importers that are importing european vehicles that have swapped VINs claiming they are older than they are. 20 year old vehicles are exempt from Federal emission and DOT standards. They take a newer Land Rover and re VIN and title it as a 20 year old model. This is really popular with Land Rovers and the classic Mini. Ive seen plenty of Minis which I know are late 90s and later model years being represented as much earlier models.
So?
The couple didn't steal the vehicle.Justifies a commando raid by DHS? That's their job now ,when the border is wide open and illegals can fly on airplanes with NO ID?
You calm down when they come on your property when you haven't intentionally broken any laws.
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First it a federal and state crime to alter a VIN on car. And anyone who has a late model car and he title says a much older car can not claim ignorance, And do you really want to live in country we have to show papers?
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Do you guys actually think this couple knew they were buying an altered VIN vehicle? Do they seem like the type to get involved with that intentionally?
Not saying they didn't get caught up in illegal activity.
I'm talking about the heavy handed tactics used against them...
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First it a federal and state crime to alter a VIN on car. And anyone who has a late model car and he title says a much older car can not claim ignorance, And do you really want to live in country we have to show papers?
Got any proof that any of that applies to the vehicle in question, and the people who own it?

Further, what the Hell is the Department of Homeland Security doing confiscating vehicles for emissions violations? Or even VIN violations for that matter?

There is a Marine imprisoned in Mexico for making a wrong turn. There are thousands of illegal aliens waltzing across our border with Mexico in droves, daily. There are Mexican drug cartels shooting at Border Patrol agents with high powered rifles and automatic weapons. There are federal agencies smuggling illegal aliens into U.S. cities and dumping them. The mayor of Chicago is asking the same federal agencies to bring him more illegal aliens so he can get more funds from the federal government. And while all of that is going on, the Department of Homeland Security is in South Carolina confiscating a Land Rover that might be a gray market vehicle, at the behest of the EPA.

And you're defending the actions of the EPA and the Department of Homeland Security?

If you DO NOT want to live in a country where you have to show your papers, I can assure you that you're going about that in the wrong way.
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Do the COPO Camaros and Cobra Jet Mustangs come with VINs?

Is it important for a race car?
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Do the COPO Camaros and Cobra Jet Mustangs come with VINs?

Is it important for a race car?
If we keep allowing the federal government to grow and gain power, you'll be lucky to have a race car of any kind, fuel for it, or a place to race it.
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Yes, I support the police and the law, you do not? Are you an anarchist?

If you DO NOT want to live in a country where you have to show your papers, I can assure you that you're going about that in the wrong way.[/quote]

The EPA does not have officers to make arrests. So yes the DHS or Justice would be their office to make the arrest.

Trying to bring the as you say aliens is just trying to blur the picture.

These people broke the law plain and simple. The car was illegally modified. In the people did not know that it just not change the fact .Your paranoid rantings will not change that fact.

In which way I am going wrong about not having to show papers, that was a question or statement without any validity.
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Yes, I support the police and the law, you do not? Are you an anarchist?

If you DO NOT want to live in a country where you have to show your papers, I can assure you that you're going about that in the wrong way.

The EPA does not have officers to make arrests. So yes the DHS or Justice would be their office to make the arrest.

Trying to bring the as you say aliens is just trying to blur the picture.

These people broke the law plain and simple. The car was illegally modified. In the people did not know that it just not change the fact .Your paranoid rantings will not change that fact.

In which way I am going wrong about not having to show papers, that was a question or statement without any validity.
You obviously neither know nor support the law.

Exactly how was this vehicle modified? Do you know? For a fact? Do you even know the supposed reason the vehicle was confiscated? Or are you just taking it for granted that the government would never do anything questionable?

"As I say aliens"? If they are not illegal aliens, then exactly what are they? The law says they are illegal aliens. Dozens of laws, federal, state, and local clearly establish the definition of both "alien" and "illegal alien", laws tested and found to be perfectly in line with the Constitution, the supreme law of the land.

And you have no proof at all that the people who own the Land Rover broke the law. The truth is, if you read, the EPA and the Department of Homeland Security did in fact not only break the law, but also violated the Constitution. The warrant was completely illegal, as it did not have the name of the current owners on it. As such, no agency in the United States has the authority to go on to private property and serve the warrant. As I have served a warrant or two, the law clearly requires that every single piece of information on a warrant be absolutely correct, down to the letter. The names, address, and everything else on the warrant are required to be correct, to the letter. The name of the owner was in fact incorrect, it was the name of the 4th previous owner. The person named on the warrant was not the owner of the vehicle, nor the owner of the property the vehicle was parked on.

Further, the Department of Homeland Security is not charged with enforcing emissions laws, and it is even a stretch to say that they are charged with enforcing importation laws, especially not those that govern good such as motor vehicles.

Finally, the EPA does have its own enforcement section, and in fact, it has been recently stated that, along with the Internal Revenue Service, the EPA recently of all things purchased riot style shotguns, body armor, high capacity semi automatic handguns, and AR platform carbines.

Also, note that no one was arrested. A vehicle was confiscated.

Know the laws that govern your government and its agencies, and demand that those agencies adhere to those laws, lest those agencies trample your rights. Or, as was once stated a couple of hundred years ago:

The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government - lest it come to dominate our lives and interests. --Patrick Henry


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