With respect to Steve Taylor, racing for package - Page 2

Mike Schwartz · 11-11-2018, 07:01 AM

Basically, the idea removes red lights and breakouts from the equation but retains the goal of being the closest to having a 'perfect' run as the determination of a winner in eliminations. Yes, it may seem like "time trials all day long," but you still have to have the better time trial than your opponent.

This is something that I have thought about before, especially when it comes to the Super classes. Someone qualifies at 12.50 (2.600 off) on the SG index of 9.90 and they get placed higher in the ladder than someone who goes 9.899 (0.001 off)? It always seemed counterintuitive when the goal is hitting the index as close as possible. For the same reason, a run of 0.399/9.900 feels more 'worthy' of a win against a run of 0.425/9.957 in the other lane.

The suggestion probably won't fly in S/SS because of the "performance-based" boogyman, but it's an idea to consider in Index and straight ET racing.

Dragsinger · 11-11-2018, 10:06 AM

During the days when Steve was strongly pitching the concept, he had [as would be expected] both lovers and haters.

Now, some years after his death, half of his idea is being widely implemented.[worse red light]

Dragsinger · 11-11-2018, 10:10 AM

I talked with him enough to understand that the worse right rule was in main focus and the racing for package was something he thought would be interesting to test.

Someone with the time and inclination to do so could take some pair by pair results from a race and apply the "package" concept and show how the race outcome would differ.

rognelson777 · 11-11-2018, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by CMcAllister

So, it would basically be making time runs all day since it wouldn't matter who actually crossed the stripe first?

Actually it dial in racing it is not always who crossed the finish line 1st. if you are 1st across line but break out or break out by more you lose

Lenny5160 · 11-12-2018, 12:30 PM

It completely removes the danger from trying to be perfect. Under the current system, there is a lot of risk in setting up tight. Everyone finds their own risk/reward balance.

Keith 944 · 11-12-2018, 12:59 PM

It completely takes being a good driver out of the dragracing concept

CMcAllister · 11-12-2018, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by rognelson777

Actually it dial in racing it is not always who crossed the finish line 1st. if you are 1st across line but break out or break out by more you lose

I understand. But it removes the "race" part of it, the finish line skill and strategies, the chase, the game of taking the stripe or not, and staying green and not breaking out. Even in the pro tree .90 classes, that's drag racing. Who would be in favor of that? Want to do that? Some places run a best package round in time trails, with breakout and red lights enforced. But that's not racing.

Chipper Chapman · 11-12-2018, 03:33 PM

What’s next idea? Participation Trophies and everyone goes home a ‘winner’? LMAO

Jim Caughlin · 11-12-2018, 04:33 PM

Maybe we could just each do it from our home track and email in the results, that way we wouldn't even need to travel to the event. Or better yet just stay home and do it like a video game?

wagonboy · 11-12-2018, 05:54 PM

I agree with Keith944. I want to RACE the person next to me- not make it a glorified run for the money event. If I earned .02 at the tree, I want to try and use it at the stripe. It does not seem like true competition, where is the skill and art of finish line driving, where is the stagedy? I'll pass.

Ryan

11-11-2018, 07:01 AM	#11
Mike Schwartz Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Maryland USA Posts: 496 Likes: 98 Liked 189 Times in 64 Posts	Re: With respect to Steve Taylor, racing for package Basically, the idea removes red lights and breakouts from the equation but retains the goal of being the closest to having a 'perfect' run as the determination of a winner in eliminations. Yes, it may seem like "time trials all day long," but you still have to have the better time trial than your opponent. This is something that I have thought about before, especially when it comes to the Super classes. Someone qualifies at 12.50 (2.600 off) on the SG index of 9.90 and they get placed higher in the ladder than someone who goes 9.899 (0.001 off)? It always seemed counterintuitive when the goal is hitting the index as close as possible. For the same reason, a run of 0.399/9.900 feels more 'worthy' of a win against a run of 0.425/9.957 in the other lane. The suggestion probably won't fly in S/SS because of the "performance-based" boogyman, but it's an idea to consider in Index and straight ET racing.

11-11-2018, 10:06 AM	#12
Dragsinger VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Liberty City [East Texas] Posts: 1,759 Likes: 5 Liked 99 Times in 60 Posts	Re: With respect to Steve Taylor, racing for package During the days when Steve was strongly pitching the concept, he had [as would be expected] both lovers and haters. Now, some years after his death, half of his idea is being widely implemented.[worse red light] __________________ Larry Woodfin 471W

11-11-2018, 10:10 AM	#13
Dragsinger VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Liberty City [East Texas] Posts: 1,759 Likes: 5 Liked 99 Times in 60 Posts	Re: With respect to Steve Taylor, racing for package I talked with him enough to understand that the worse right rule was in main focus and the racing for package was something he thought would be interesting to test. Someone with the time and inclination to do so could take some pair by pair results from a race and apply the "package" concept and show how the race outcome would differ. __________________ Larry Woodfin 471W

11-12-2018, 12:30 PM	#15
Lenny5160 Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Inver Grove Heights, MN Posts: 898 Likes: 604 Liked 432 Times in 225 Posts	Re: With respect to Steve Taylor, racing for package It completely removes the danger from trying to be perfect. Under the current system, there is a lot of risk in setting up tight. Everyone finds their own risk/reward balance. __________________ S/ST 51 S/C 53

11-12-2018, 12:59 PM	#16
Keith 944 VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Dela-where? Posts: 2,115 Likes: 1,004 Liked 1,641 Times in 520 Posts	Re: With respect to Steve Taylor, racing for package It completely takes being a good driver out of the dragracing concept __________________ KEITH MAYERS 2 X somebody many X nobody

11-12-2018, 03:33 PM	#18
Chipper Chapman Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Belmont N.S. Canada Posts: 451 Likes: 210 Liked 141 Times in 63 Posts	Re: With respect to Steve Taylor, racing for package What’s next idea? Participation Trophies and everyone goes home a ‘winner’? LMAO __________________ Chris Chapman 1969 Chevelle NHRA F-G/SA 1090

11-12-2018, 04:33 PM	#19
Jim Caughlin Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Woodburn, Or Posts: 635 Likes: 70 Liked 693 Times in 208 Posts	Re: With respect to Steve Taylor, racing for package Maybe we could just each do it from our home track and email in the results, that way we wouldn't even need to travel to the event. Or better yet just stay home and do it like a video game?

11-12-2018, 05:54 PM	#20
wagonboy Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 54 Likes: 7 Liked 26 Times in 5 Posts	Re: With respect to Steve Taylor, racing for package I agree with Keith944. I want to RACE the person next to me- not make it a glorified run for the money event. If I earned .02 at the tree, I want to try and use it at the stripe. It does not seem like true competition, where is the skill and art of finish line driving, where is the stagedy? I'll pass. Ryan