Incentives to qualify better.

Kdw1403 · 10-15-2022, 02:22 PM

When I was growing up racers always took pride in qualifying well. Racers liked to see that there hard work and hard earned money we’re paying off with a good qualifying effort. Lately is seems like racers don’t want to qualify real good because they have turned qualifying into a manipulation game for the bracket race (eliminations) coming up, and I understand that. I would like to hear from other racer some ideas on how we could put more emphasis on qualifying again. Lots of racers like chasing points.Could it be points awarded for each qualifying position? (could only have a max number of qualifying points per season) Could it be money? Could of be a discount on the entry to the next race? I would like to see what other racers think on how to accomplish this or if it’s a stupid idea. I know my car/combo would be a top tier qualifier but I would still like to see qualifying well mean a little more than it does. Im sure I’ll get some flack for this but I don’t mean it in a bad way to anybody. There are a lot of great minds out there who have been racing a lot longer than I have. Heck there are a lot of great minds out there who just started racing. I would like to hear from the young and the old. Thanks to everyone who took time to read this ridiculously long post. May you always race with a good tail wind. Who knows Lonnie Grimes might see this 🤪🤪🤪 #B00take00. Thanks

442OLDS · 10-15-2022, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Kdw1403

When I was growing up racers always took pride in qualifying well. Racers liked to see that there hard work and hard earned money we’re paying off with a good qualifying effort. Lately is seems like racers don’t want to qualify real good because they have turned qualifying into a manipulation game for the bracket race (eliminations) coming up, and I understand that. I would like to hear from other racer some ideas on how we could put more emphasis on qualifying again. Lots of racers like chasing points.Could it be points awarded for each qualifying position? (could only have a max number of qualifying points per season) Could it be money? Could of be a discount on the entry to the next race? I would like to see what other racers think on how to accomplish this or if it’s a stupid idea. I know my car/combo would be a top tier qualifier but I would still like to see qualifying well mean a little more than it does. Im sure I’ll get some flack for this but I don’t mean it in a bad way to anybody. There are a lot of great minds out there who have been racing a lot longer than I have. Heck there are a lot of great minds out there who just started racing. I would like to hear from the young and the old. Thanks to everyone who took time to read this ridiculously long post. May you always race with a good tail wind. Who knows Lonnie Grimes might see this 🤪🤪🤪 #B00take00. Thanks

Last year,at the St Louis National event,I was pretty happy that I ran .75 under.I was rewarded with a heads up race in Round 1 by someone that had me covered by a mile.
Smart racers will try to qualify in a position to avoid this scenario. Be smart.

Jeff Niceswanger · 10-15-2022, 06:37 PM

Back when we first started racing a class car we traveled with Dave Layer of Heads Up Cylinder Heads. The group of his buds consisted of quite a few very capable qualifiers. The trick was to qualify #1 so you got the 1100 dollar qualifying money to pay for your trip. If you could be #1 at least your travel money and entry was paid for. (But do as little harm to your combo as possible.) That amount dropped to 100 ?, then nothing. After the incentives stopped, so did all the effort to be #1. It used to be talked about quite a bit, but now the only advantage is if you get a bye. Most people won't risk stepping on your own peter to be #1 for just a possible bye.

thomas sheehan · 10-16-2022, 08:10 AM

Won't waste my energy or time on a long post.
Brought it up many times.
BYE runs in round one .
Several ways to do it....
#1 = run -1.00 under, earn a round one bye
OR
#2 = set up ladder like march madness (have a play in round for everyone to get in to the final 64 or 32... no bye runs after rd 1)

Larry Hill · 10-16-2022, 08:17 AM

Let 140 enter for 128 qualified spots. But that would make it a seven round race with only 11 points difference in winning vs R/U, not the 21 point difference in a six round race 105 vs 84.

So racer A could win 48 rounds and score 840 points at eight six round races, racer B could win 48 rounds and only score 752 points at eight seven round races. How can that happen? Racer B lost in the finals eight times.

Is winning a six round race worth 11 more points for winning the sixty round at a seven round race?

Billy Nees · 10-16-2022, 08:52 AM

Give out points for the top 10 Qualifiers. If it's a Div. Race it counts towards your Div. total. If a Natl. Race, counts towards Natl. and Div. total. 10 points to #1 on down to 1 point for #10. Qualify #1 at a Div. you get 10 Div. points. Qualify #1 at a Natl. and you get 10 Natl. AND 10 Div. points. 20 Div. points for a Natl. Record. Individual Racer can only set 2 Records per year.

IF Lonnie is listening, you want to make S/SS "Performance Based Eliminators" again then go for it!

MR DERBY CITY · 10-16-2022, 09:50 AM

All great ideas, BUT the NHRA REGIME wont spend one single DOLLAR or allocate the MANPOWER to implement any of this….not gonna happen ….

Mike Jones · 10-16-2022, 01:16 PM

I am a Teamster who works for a large Public Corporation. We scratch our heads at some of the decisions, made without ANY input from us, regarding work they will be asking us to do. There are obvious solutions to save time and money, but they ALWAYS seems to fall on deaf hears. NHRA`s response to SO many good ideas, reminds me of the samething.

JGrossijr · 10-16-2022, 01:18 PM

Pro ladder qualified fields - 32/64/128 cars
Points for setting records
Points for qualifying position

Kdw1403 · 10-18-2022, 02:13 PM

Mr Grossi you and I are on the same page. I like it.

10-15-2022, 06:37 PM	#3
Jeff Niceswanger Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 771 Likes: 588 Liked 839 Times in 293 Posts	Re: Incentives to qualify better. Back when we first started racing a class car we traveled with Dave Layer of Heads Up Cylinder Heads. The group of his buds consisted of quite a few very capable qualifiers. The trick was to qualify #1 so you got the 1100 dollar qualifying money to pay for your trip. If you could be #1 at least your travel money and entry was paid for. (But do as little harm to your combo as possible.) That amount dropped to 100 ?, then nothing. After the incentives stopped, so did all the effort to be #1. It used to be talked about quite a bit, but now the only advantage is if you get a bye. Most people won't risk stepping on your own peter to be #1 for just a possible bye. __________________ Jeff Niceswanger 3740 SS Last edited by Jeff Niceswanger; 10-15-2022 at 08:56 PM.

10-16-2022, 08:10 AM	#4
thomas sheehan Photographer Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 1,717 Likes: 24 Liked 77 Times in 30 Posts	Re: Incentives to qualify better. Won't waste my energy or time on a long post. Brought it up many times. BYE runs in round one . Several ways to do it.... #1 = run -1.00 under, earn a round one bye OR #2 = set up ladder like march madness (have a play in round for everyone to get in to the final 64 or 32... no bye runs after rd 1) __________________ Tom Sheehan SS GT/NA 1046

10-16-2022, 08:17 AM	#5
Larry Hill Live Reporter Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Hickory, Ky Posts: 10,281 Likes: 1,637 Liked 9,456 Times in 1,957 Posts	Re: Incentives to qualify better. Let 140 enter for 128 qualified spots. But that would make it a seven round race with only 11 points difference in winning vs R/U, not the 21 point difference in a six round race 105 vs 84. So racer A could win 48 rounds and score 840 points at eight six round races, racer B could win 48 rounds and only score 752 points at eight seven round races. How can that happen? Racer B lost in the finals eight times. Is winning a six round race worth 11 more points for winning the sixty round at a seven round race? __________________ IHM Used Parts https://ihmusedparts.com 888-821-1817 Last edited by Larry Hill; 10-16-2022 at 08:44 AM.

10-16-2022, 08:52 AM	#6
Billy Nees VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: On a hilltop in Pa. Posts: 4,223 Likes: 3,103 Liked 6,791 Times in 1,524 Posts	Re: Incentives to qualify better. Give out points for the top 10 Qualifiers. If it's a Div. Race it counts towards your Div. total. If a Natl. Race, counts towards Natl. and Div. total. 10 points to #1 on down to 1 point for #10. Qualify #1 at a Div. you get 10 Div. points. Qualify #1 at a Natl. and you get 10 Natl. AND 10 Div. points. 20 Div. points for a Natl. Record. Individual Racer can only set 2 Records per year. IF Lonnie is listening, you want to make S/SS "Performance Based Eliminators" again then go for it! __________________ Billy Nees 1188 STK, SS World's greatest Under-Achiever!

10-16-2022, 09:50 AM	#7
MR DERBY CITY VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2014 Location: Derby City, USA Posts: 3,331 Likes: 859 Liked 6,623 Times in 1,291 Posts	Re: Incentives to qualify better. All great ideas, BUT the NHRA REGIME wont spend one single DOLLAR or allocate the MANPOWER to implement any of this….not gonna happen ….

10-15-2022, 02:22 PM	#1
Kdw1403 Member Join Date: Nov 2016 Posts: 194 Likes: 47 Liked 68 Times in 22 Posts	Incentives to qualify better. When I was growing up racers always took pride in qualifying well. Racers liked to see that there hard work and hard earned money we’re paying off with a good qualifying effort. Lately is seems like racers don’t want to qualify real good because they have turned qualifying into a manipulation game for the bracket race (eliminations) coming up, and I understand that. I would like to hear from other racer some ideas on how we could put more emphasis on qualifying again. Lots of racers like chasing points.Could it be points awarded for each qualifying position? (could only have a max number of qualifying points per season) Could it be money? Could of be a discount on the entry to the next race? I would like to see what other racers think on how to accomplish this or if it’s a stupid idea. I know my car/combo would be a top tier qualifier but I would still like to see qualifying well mean a little more than it does. Im sure I’ll get some flack for this but I don’t mean it in a bad way to anybody. There are a lot of great minds out there who have been racing a lot longer than I have. Heck there are a lot of great minds out there who just started racing. I would like to hear from the young and the old. Thanks to everyone who took time to read this ridiculously long post. May you always race with a good tail wind. Who knows Lonnie Grimes might see this 🤪🤪🤪 #B00take00. Thanks

10-16-2022, 01:16 PM	#8
Mike Jones VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Connecticut Posts: 1,110 Likes: 1,166 Liked 660 Times in 283 Posts	Re: Incentives to qualify better. I am a Teamster who works for a large Public Corporation. We scratch our heads at some of the decisions, made without ANY input from us, regarding work they will be asking us to do. There are obvious solutions to save time and money, but they ALWAYS seems to fall on deaf hears. NHRA`s response to SO many good ideas, reminds me of the samething. Last edited by Mike Jones; 10-16-2022 at 03:54 PM.

10-16-2022, 01:18 PM	#9
JGrossijr Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Brentwood, California Posts: 65 Likes: 168 Liked 144 Times in 29 Posts	Re: Incentives to qualify better. Pro ladder qualified fields - 32/64/128 cars Points for setting records Points for qualifying position

10-18-2022, 02:13 PM	#10
Kdw1403 Member Join Date: Nov 2016 Posts: 194 Likes: 47 Liked 68 Times in 22 Posts	Re: Incentives to qualify better. Mr Grossi you and I are on the same page. I like it.