NHRA regulates off track behavior......... - Page 16

jwsamuel · 03-09-2015, 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob Petrie E395

Its IHRA but there is a loser out in NC that is banned for this exact reason. And I agree with it.

I agree. So then, the question becomes what off track behavior can NHRA (or IHRA) use as a basis for barring drivers from racing?

Sexual abuse? I think we would all agree with that. Spousal abuse? Dealing drugs? Drunk driving? Robbery? Street racing?

Jim

Chris1529 · 03-10-2015, 07:13 AM

Overall in society, companies, organizations, media, and the public seem to have forgotten we have a legal system to deal with these issues. Some might argue, but the US legal system is the best in the world. (Just ask Amanda Knox about the Italian system).I would just like to see us let the courts/legal system play out before any organization or our employers think they need to take action. Take the recent situation with Kurt Busch for example: He has been through the legal system in Delaware now and was not charged. He is free and clear to go on with life, but the know it all people running NASCAR have him on some sort of BS reinstatement program. Why does NASCAR feel that is necessary when he has done nothing that warrants criminal prosecution?
God forbid if any one of us got into a bad situation, wouldn't you all just like to have your day in court as opposed to having a few people at NHRA, the media, or someone like the NFL Commissioner decide your fate when a jury of your peers finds you did nothing wrong?

jwsamuel · 03-10-2015, 09:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Chris1529

Overall in society, companies, organizations, media, and the public seem to have forgotten we have a legal system to deal with these issues.
God forbid if any one of us got into a bad situation, wouldn't you all just like to have your day in court as opposed to having a few people at NHRA, the media, or someone like the NFL Commissioner decide your fate when a jury of your peers finds you did nothing wrong?

That happens all the time in the business world. If you are accused of doing something that is a black mark for the company you work for, chances are you'll be fired long before you get your day in court.

The legal system deals only with our Constitutional rights. There is no right to drag race and no right to continue holding the job you have now. NHRA is a private organization and has no legal or constitutional requirement to allow people to participate when they exhibit behavior that it believes is contrary to what it stands for. Hell, Coke has fired people for being seen in public drinking Pepsi.

Jim

Chris1529 · 03-10-2015, 09:54 AM

Jim,

the key word you used in your last post is "accused".

The court of public opinion, media, commissioners, employers, or whoever seem to have started confusing the term accused with guilty. If you are proven guilty, then you are more that likely guilty. If you are simply accused, that in no way means you are guilty...until proven so by court, company investigations, etc. My problem is that too many organizations jump to conclusions based upon someone's opinion, media pressure, or are just on a power trip and assume you are guilty just because you are accused.

If the guys on Street Outlaws were employees of NHRA, it would be one thing, but they are customers of NHRA. As a matter of fact, people who are members of NHRA pay to do so, and since NHRA or IHRA certainly do not pay us to race, why do you think they can tell someone what to do while not at an official event? I am not condoning street racing in any manner, but it seems as though NHRA has brought more interest to it after they made the poor choice to call out those who were participating in the show.

Hagen Gary · 03-10-2015, 10:29 AM

Again, NHRA is not telling anyone what they can or can't do outside of an event. They are telling them that if they continue to actively promote ILLEGAL and UNSAFE street racing to millions of people, then they will not be a part of this organization that is based on promoting SAFE and LEGAL racing. End of Story. So, Go ahead and be a major star on the Discovery Channel, but You ain't racing here. I thought the dude who killed two spectators at an ILLEGAL street race proved why they cannot be associated with people on the show. When I tell people I drag race, I don't want them to think I act like these fools. So, I applaud NHRA.

sammy pizzolato · 03-10-2015, 11:06 AM

Hagen You Are Correct My Friend!! Street Racing Is Not Drag Racing. All The Time The Local Paper Will Wright Two Were Killed Drag Racing On The Street.And I Will Call The Paper And Tell Them That Was Not Drag Racing!!!!!!! That Was Two Punks Racing On The Street.It Is Not The Same Thing. Drag Racing Is Racing That Is Done At The Track.

Ed Wright · 03-10-2015, 11:09 AM

Hagen and Sammy are exactly correct. NHRA did nothing to anybodie's RIGHTS. Only their PRIVILEGE of racing with NHRA. That is NHRA's RIGHT.

j gardiner · 03-10-2015, 11:24 AM

There is a big difference between actually commiting a crime and being on a TV show. I have no problem with NHRA banning criminals, but banning folks on a show that has better ratings,seems kind of a jerk move.

Jeff Stout · 03-10-2015, 02:16 PM

From what ive read some of you have openly admitted to have street raced. Pot meet kettle comes to mind, but yet you still have a NHRA license

SSDiv6 · 03-10-2015, 02:20 PM

What many are missing is the principle behind all this. Although the show is entertainment, it encourages illegal street racing.

Although many of us may not agree with the rule changes and policies from NHRA, the association was created to provide a safe place and environment for racing.

Like Sammy said, every time there is an accident or crash involving the loss of life due to racing in the streets, the first statement used by the news media is "Drag Racing".

It is interesting that after NHRA issued the admonishment, an accident takes place with the loss of life in which one of the participants of the show was charged.

This show can also instill the advent of street racing by irresponsible parties, especially here in the Pacific Northwest were the import clubs do racing in nearby residential streets with the risk of taking the life of an innocent driver or even a close family member.

I can see NHRA's liability issue if a racer is wearing an NHRA logo on him on in his car. Doing so in the court of law can be construed as implied endorsement by the entity if the show producers have not signed a release of liability with NHRA.

03-10-2015, 07:13 AM	#152
Chris1529 VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: West Virginia Posts: 1,367 Likes: 6 Liked 57 Times in 27 Posts	Re: NHRA regulates off track behavior......... Overall in society, companies, organizations, media, and the public seem to have forgotten we have a legal system to deal with these issues. Some might argue, but the US legal system is the best in the world. (Just ask Amanda Knox about the Italian system).I would just like to see us let the courts/legal system play out before any organization or our employers think they need to take action. Take the recent situation with Kurt Busch for example: He has been through the legal system in Delaware now and was not charged. He is free and clear to go on with life, but the know it all people running NASCAR have him on some sort of BS reinstatement program. Why does NASCAR feel that is necessary when he has done nothing that warrants criminal prosecution? God forbid if any one of us got into a bad situation, wouldn't you all just like to have your day in court as opposed to having a few people at NHRA, the media, or someone like the NFL Commissioner decide your fate when a jury of your peers finds you did nothing wrong? __________________ Chris Bowman The Mountain State Mustang 1984 Mustang GT350 Last edited by Chris1529; 03-10-2015 at 07:17 AM.

03-10-2015, 09:54 AM	#154
Chris1529 VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: West Virginia Posts: 1,367 Likes: 6 Liked 57 Times in 27 Posts	Re: NHRA regulates off track behavior......... Jim, the key word you used in your last post is "accused". The court of public opinion, media, commissioners, employers, or whoever seem to have started confusing the term accused with guilty. If you are proven guilty, then you are more that likely guilty. If you are simply accused, that in no way means you are guilty...until proven so by court, company investigations, etc. My problem is that too many organizations jump to conclusions based upon someone's opinion, media pressure, or are just on a power trip and assume you are guilty just because you are accused. If the guys on Street Outlaws were employees of NHRA, it would be one thing, but they are customers of NHRA. As a matter of fact, people who are members of NHRA pay to do so, and since NHRA or IHRA certainly do not pay us to race, why do you think they can tell someone what to do while not at an official event? I am not condoning street racing in any manner, but it seems as though NHRA has brought more interest to it after they made the poor choice to call out those who were participating in the show. __________________ Chris Bowman The Mountain State Mustang 1984 Mustang GT350

03-10-2015, 10:29 AM	#155
Hagen Gary Live Reporter Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Cajun country Posts: 335 Likes: 48 Liked 30 Times in 8 Posts	Re: NHRA regulates off track behavior......... Again, NHRA is not telling anyone what they can or can't do outside of an event. They are telling them that if they continue to actively promote ILLEGAL and UNSAFE street racing to millions of people, then they will not be a part of this organization that is based on promoting SAFE and LEGAL racing. End of Story. So, Go ahead and be a major star on the Discovery Channel, but You ain't racing here. I thought the dude who killed two spectators at an ILLEGAL street race proved why they cannot be associated with people on the show. When I tell people I drag race, I don't want them to think I act like these fools. So, I applaud NHRA.

03-10-2015, 11:06 AM	#156
sammy pizzolato Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: houma louisiana Posts: 432 Likes: 52 Liked 56 Times in 13 Posts	Re: NHRA regulates off track behavior......... Hagen You Are Correct My Friend!! Street Racing Is Not Drag Racing. All The Time The Local Paper Will Wright Two Were Killed Drag Racing On The Street.And I Will Call The Paper And Tell Them That Was Not Drag Racing!!!!!!! That Was Two Punks Racing On The Street.It Is Not The Same Thing. Drag Racing Is Racing That Is Done At The Track.

03-10-2015, 11:09 AM	#157
Ed Wright Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sand Springs, OK Posts: 8,132 Likes: 896 Liked 389 Times in 168 Posts	Re: NHRA regulates off track behavior......... Hagen and Sammy are exactly correct. NHRA did nothing to anybodie's RIGHTS. Only their PRIVILEGE of racing with NHRA. That is NHRA's RIGHT. __________________ Ed Wright 4156 SS/JA

03-10-2015, 11:24 AM	#158
j gardiner Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: waldorf Posts: 194 Likes: 9 Liked 11 Times in 7 Posts	Re: NHRA regulates off track behavior......... There is a big difference between actually commiting a crime and being on a TV show. I have no problem with NHRA banning criminals, but banning folks on a show that has better ratings,seems kind of a jerk move.

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Jeff Stout VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: phoenix Posts: 1,410 Likes: 53 Liked 655 Times in 255 Posts	Re: NHRA regulates off track behavior......... From what ive read some of you have openly admitted to have street raced. Pot meet kettle comes to mind, but yet you still have a NHRA license Last edited by Jeff Stout; 03-10-2015 at 02:17 PM. Reason: more

03-10-2015, 02:20 PM	#160
SSDiv6 VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Glendale, Arizona Posts: 2,991 Likes: 693 Liked 1,457 Times in 543 Posts	Re: NHRA regulates off track behavior......... What many are missing is the principle behind all this. Although the show is entertainment, it encourages illegal street racing. Although many of us may not agree with the rule changes and policies from NHRA, the association was created to provide a safe place and environment for racing. Like Sammy said, every time there is an accident or crash involving the loss of life due to racing in the streets, the first statement used by the news media is "Drag Racing". It is interesting that after NHRA issued the admonishment, an accident takes place with the loss of life in which one of the participants of the show was charged. This show can also instill the advent of street racing by irresponsible parties, especially here in the Pacific Northwest were the import clubs do racing in nearby residential streets with the risk of taking the life of an innocent driver or even a close family member. I can see NHRA's liability issue if a racer is wearing an NHRA logo on him on in his car. Doing so in the court of law can be construed as implied endorsement by the entity if the show producers have not signed a release of liability with NHRA.