Big silly rookie question - Page 2

west coast · 03-13-2010, 11:59 AM

Print out a tech card off NHRA site must login in to get to it you can fill out all the info online. In stock there are quit a bit of other info that is needed to be filled in that a normal racer doesnt fill out like Adv HP, Adj HP, Head#, Intake #, Carb#, all this you want to make sure is right for your combo make and year. Just because your car is a certain year does not mean the Numbers on your heads and intake are going to be right for what are in the guide lines for your car, mine did not match had to claim a differant year because of intake numbers and everthing else matched up to the year I was changing it to. Drooze said it very well to his experance tell them you are new to stock they are very helpfull. If you allready have question Email Dave at Div 6 ahead of time he response very quickly. See ya in Boise.

Joe Toller · 03-13-2010, 08:12 PM

Tha nks for all the pointers and info, it really helps alot!

Mike Carr · 03-13-2010, 08:38 PM

Is it the 135 cid motor in your car?

Joe Toller · 03-13-2010, 11:38 PM

Yes, 135 cid turbo

Mike Carr · 03-15-2010, 10:35 PM

The Sedan 4 door breaks at 16.50, making it a natural BF/S, meaning it can also run A and C, with weight adjustments. The Sedan 4 door SE, breaks at 16.86, and will fit the same three classes. It's factory rating is 146, with an NHRA rating is 160. So you will multiply 160 x the class weight break, add 170, and will give you the minimum weight for each class, as follows.

AF/S 13 x 160 + 170 = 2,250 pounds minimum weight (seems highly unlikely that your car could get to the class' minimum weight. Class Index is 13.85 seconds.
BF/S 16 x 160 + 170 = 2,730 min wt. Class Index is 14.65 sec. This is the closest weight to the cars natural factory shipping weight.
CF/S 17.5 x 160 + 170 = 2,970 min wt. Class Index is 15.15 sec.

Hope this helps.

Joe Toller · 03-16-2010, 07:05 PM

Thank you very much for that info. I was wondering what class I'd be in. Think I need to see what it'll do, and I'm betting I'm closer to CF weight because this thing is loaded to the nines. I'll go get it on a scale this weekend and go from there. Thanks!

I also have an 86 Lebaron GTS, and it's manual windows, non-tilt etc, probably would be a great car too, and lighter, and I could always swap stuff over since the mechanicals are the exact same. Guess I'd better get to work!

Thanks again!

Mike Carr · 03-16-2010, 07:49 PM

86 Lebaron GTS 4 door with the turbo 135?

Mike Carr · 03-16-2010, 08:22 PM

All versions listed for the Lebaron in 1986 (LEBARON, Sedan 2 Dr, 2588, Convertible, Town & Country SW 4 Dr, and GTS 4 Dr, all have weight breaks betwen 16.10 and 17.16, and all fall as a natural BF/S, and all can run A and C also. 146 factory HP rating, but NHRA rates this year motor, in this year car(s) at 155. Factory Shipping weights run from 2,495 pounds up to 2,685, depending on body type.

AF/S 155 x 13 + 170 = 2,185 pounds, 13.85 Class Index
BF/S 155 x 16 + 170 = 2,650 pounds, 14.65 Class Index
CF/S 155 x 17.5 + 170 = 2,883 pounds, 15.15 Index

Hagen Gary · 03-17-2010, 07:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Carr

1987 Dodge Lancer is in there. I think the turbo version would be the 135 cid, 146 factory, 160 NHRA-rated motor.

Wow, I might be showing my age or my ignorance, but when I think "lancer turbo".. I'm not thinking about no dodge.

Chris "drooze" Wertman · 03-17-2010, 08:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike Carr

All versions listed for the Lebaron in 1986 (LEBARON, Sedan 2 Dr, 2588, Convertible, Town & Country SW 4 Dr, and GTS 4 Dr, all have weight breaks betwen 16.10 and 17.16, and all fall as a natural BF/S, and all can run A and C also. 146 factory HP rating, but NHRA rates this year motor, in this year car(s) at 155. Factory Shipping weights run from 2,495 pounds up to 2,685, depending on body type.

AF/S 155 x 13 + 170 = 2,185 pounds, 13.85 Class Index
BF/S 155 x 16 + 170 = 2,650 pounds, 14.65 Class Index
CF/S 155 x 17.5 + 170 = 2,883 pounds, 15.15 Index

Alright Ive got the CAPITAL Stupid question here.....

Does the car HAVE to run in the F classes ? I just reread the rules and while the F Classes I dont see anything that keeps them in there specifically ? How wrong am I on this ? I entered the Pacifica as a Q/SA was it supposed to (i.e. HAD to Go in as CF/SA ?., 17.98lb/hp)

My understanding (and please I just came up with this on my "own" from reading the rule, is that it CAN be entered in the F classes if it is FWD, but nowhere in the rulebook I see does it say it HAS to ?)

Cheers

Im dying to hear an answer on this.

Chris

03-13-2010, 11:59 AM	#11
west coast Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Rainy Washington Posts: 577 Likes: 4 Liked 129 Times in 49 Posts	Re: Big silly rookie question Print out a tech card off NHRA site must login in to get to it you can fill out all the info online. In stock there are quit a bit of other info that is needed to be filled in that a normal racer doesnt fill out like Adv HP, Adj HP, Head#, Intake #, Carb#, all this you want to make sure is right for your combo make and year. Just because your car is a certain year does not mean the Numbers on your heads and intake are going to be right for what are in the guide lines for your car, mine did not match had to claim a differant year because of intake numbers and everthing else matched up to the year I was changing it to. Drooze said it very well to his experance tell them you are new to stock they are very helpfull. If you allready have question Email Dave at Div 6 ahead of time he response very quickly. See ya in Boise.

03-13-2010, 08:12 PM	#12
Joe Toller Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Lewistown, Montana Posts: 550 Likes: 78 Liked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Big silly rookie question Tha nks for all the pointers and info, it really helps alot!

03-13-2010, 08:38 PM	#13
Mike Carr VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Enon Valley PA Posts: 1,650 Likes: 234 Liked 80 Times in 34 Posts	Re: Big silly rookie question Is it the 135 cid motor in your car? __________________ Mike Carr, Tri-State S/SS Association President Looking for 2015 S/SS Race Sponsors Contact me if interested buffdaddy_1302@hotmail.com (724) 510-5912

03-13-2010, 11:38 PM	#14
Joe Toller Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Lewistown, Montana Posts: 550 Likes: 78 Liked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Big silly rookie question Yes, 135 cid turbo

03-15-2010, 10:35 PM	#15
Mike Carr VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Enon Valley PA Posts: 1,650 Likes: 234 Liked 80 Times in 34 Posts	Re: Big silly rookie question The Sedan 4 door breaks at 16.50, making it a natural BF/S, meaning it can also run A and C, with weight adjustments. The Sedan 4 door SE, breaks at 16.86, and will fit the same three classes. It's factory rating is 146, with an NHRA rating is 160. So you will multiply 160 x the class weight break, add 170, and will give you the minimum weight for each class, as follows. AF/S 13 x 160 + 170 = 2,250 pounds minimum weight (seems highly unlikely that your car could get to the class' minimum weight. Class Index is 13.85 seconds. BF/S 16 x 160 + 170 = 2,730 min wt. Class Index is 14.65 sec. This is the closest weight to the cars natural factory shipping weight. CF/S 17.5 x 160 + 170 = 2,970 min wt. Class Index is 15.15 sec. Hope this helps. __________________ Mike Carr, Tri-State S/SS Association President Looking for 2015 S/SS Race Sponsors Contact me if interested buffdaddy_1302@hotmail.com (724) 510-5912

03-16-2010, 07:05 PM	#16
Joe Toller Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Lewistown, Montana Posts: 550 Likes: 78 Liked 4 Times in 4 Posts	Re: Big silly rookie question Thank you very much for that info. I was wondering what class I'd be in. Think I need to see what it'll do, and I'm betting I'm closer to CF weight because this thing is loaded to the nines. I'll go get it on a scale this weekend and go from there. Thanks! I also have an 86 Lebaron GTS, and it's manual windows, non-tilt etc, probably would be a great car too, and lighter, and I could always swap stuff over since the mechanicals are the exact same. Guess I'd better get to work! Thanks again!

03-16-2010, 07:49 PM	#17
Mike Carr VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Enon Valley PA Posts: 1,650 Likes: 234 Liked 80 Times in 34 Posts	Re: Big silly rookie question 86 Lebaron GTS 4 door with the turbo 135? __________________ Mike Carr, Tri-State S/SS Association President Looking for 2015 S/SS Race Sponsors Contact me if interested buffdaddy_1302@hotmail.com (724) 510-5912

03-16-2010, 08:22 PM	#18
Mike Carr VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Enon Valley PA Posts: 1,650 Likes: 234 Liked 80 Times in 34 Posts	Re: Big silly rookie question All versions listed for the Lebaron in 1986 (LEBARON, Sedan 2 Dr, 2588, Convertible, Town & Country SW 4 Dr, and GTS 4 Dr, all have weight breaks betwen 16.10 and 17.16, and all fall as a natural BF/S, and all can run A and C also. 146 factory HP rating, but NHRA rates this year motor, in this year car(s) at 155. Factory Shipping weights run from 2,495 pounds up to 2,685, depending on body type. AF/S 155 x 13 + 170 = 2,185 pounds, 13.85 Class Index BF/S 155 x 16 + 170 = 2,650 pounds, 14.65 Class Index CF/S 155 x 17.5 + 170 = 2,883 pounds, 15.15 Index __________________ Mike Carr, Tri-State S/SS Association President Looking for 2015 S/SS Race Sponsors Contact me if interested buffdaddy_1302@hotmail.com (724) 510-5912