cam degreeing help - Page 2

njk53 · 03-26-2009, 08:35 PM

I saw the fact that you have the tip of the dial indicator on the lip of the lifter, correct? We are talking about an 1/8 in. of material that the indicator is is resting on and it has a curved surface, is this the case?

Terry Waldron · 03-26-2009, 09:48 PM

yes lifter is on the edge ,and it is not sliding off, checked it.

Mark Yacavone · 03-27-2009, 12:22 AM

Terry , Put the chain on a whole crank tooth off and see what you get.

Mark Yacavone · 03-27-2009, 12:31 AM

I had to look that setup up.
http://www.cloyes.com/HighPerformanc...S/Default.aspx

You can actually see the cam advance with that set up. Something has to be slipping or moving to cause an incorrect reading.

buzzinhalfdozen · 03-27-2009, 07:52 AM

Terry could you describe briefly the procedure you're using? I've been watching this thread and am interested in the outcome. Thanks Joe

Terry Waldron · 03-27-2009, 08:00 PM

Mark,Tried the one tooth off, did not help.Had degree bushing set at zero. Checked my degree wheel readings, first reading was 56 went to other reading it was164, total is220 divided is 110, same as all my readings. Never had a problem degreeing before.

Alan Roehrich · 03-27-2009, 08:42 PM

I've never seen it happen, but I suppose it is possible that the bushing does not have any offset in it. When you loosen the bolts and turn the adjuster bushing, can you actually see the bolts move in the center of the gear? I have the same type timing set on one of our 427 engines, it works just fine. I am changing to the fast adjust, I like it better, but the hex adjust works fine.

Terry Waldron · 03-27-2009, 09:00 PM

Alan, yes you can see the bolts moving back and forth when you move the bushing. I am begging to wonder if the stud that the cam bushing sits on is bent, and is causing binding problems when I tighten it back up.

Alan Roehrich · 03-27-2009, 09:18 PM

It would be hard to get a really bent dowel pin into the bushing.

MHoward · 03-28-2009, 09:09 AM

Did you unscrewed the tip out of your Dial indicator so it will Lay flat on your Lifter?

03-26-2009, 08:35 PM	#11
njk53 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: East China, MI Posts: 504 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: cam degreeing help I saw the fact that you have the tip of the dial indicator on the lip of the lifter, correct? We are talking about an 1/8 in. of material that the indicator is is resting on and it has a curved surface, is this the case? __________________ Nelson Kowal Stock 345

03-26-2009, 09:48 PM	#12
Terry Waldron Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: silvis ill Posts: 40 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: cam degreeing help yes lifter is on the edge ,and it is not sliding off, checked it. __________________ Terry Waldron 5619 K/S

03-27-2009, 12:22 AM	#13
Mark Yacavone Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Miles From Nowhere Posts: 7,417 Likes: 2,582 Liked 4,453 Times in 1,694 Posts	Re: cam degreeing help Terry , Put the chain on a whole crank tooth off and see what you get. __________________ We are lucky we don't get as much Government as we pay for..... Will Rogers

03-27-2009, 12:31 AM	#14
Mark Yacavone Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Miles From Nowhere Posts: 7,417 Likes: 2,582 Liked 4,453 Times in 1,694 Posts	Re: cam degreeing help I had to look that setup up. http://www.cloyes.com/HighPerformanc...S/Default.aspx You can actually see the cam advance with that set up. Something has to be slipping or moving to cause an incorrect reading. __________________ We are lucky we don't get as much Government as we pay for..... Will Rogers

03-27-2009, 07:52 AM	#15
buzzinhalfdozen Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Bellevue Ohio Posts: 985 Likes: 0 Liked 12 Times in 9 Posts	Re: cam degreeing help Terry could you describe briefly the procedure you're using? I've been watching this thread and am interested in the outcome. Thanks Joe __________________ Joe Buchanan SS/BX 3117

03-27-2009, 08:00 PM	#16
Terry Waldron Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: silvis ill Posts: 40 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: cam degreeing help Mark,Tried the one tooth off, did not help.Had degree bushing set at zero. Checked my degree wheel readings, first reading was 56 went to other reading it was164, total is220 divided is 110, same as all my readings. Never had a problem degreeing before. __________________ Terry Waldron 5619 K/S

03-27-2009, 08:42 PM	#17
Alan Roehrich VIP Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Murfreesboro TN Posts: 4,915 Likes: 996 Liked 1,043 Times in 274 Posts	Re: cam degreeing help I've never seen it happen, but I suppose it is possible that the bushing does not have any offset in it. When you loosen the bolts and turn the adjuster bushing, can you actually see the bolts move in the center of the gear? I have the same type timing set on one of our 427 engines, it works just fine. I am changing to the fast adjust, I like it better, but the hex adjust works fine. __________________ Alan Roehrich 212A G/S

03-27-2009, 09:00 PM	#18
Terry Waldron Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: silvis ill Posts: 40 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: cam degreeing help Alan, yes you can see the bolts moving back and forth when you move the bushing. I am begging to wonder if the stud that the cam bushing sits on is bent, and is causing binding problems when I tighten it back up. __________________ Terry Waldron 5619 K/S

03-27-2009, 09:18 PM	#19
Alan Roehrich VIP Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Murfreesboro TN Posts: 4,915 Likes: 996 Liked 1,043 Times in 274 Posts	Re: cam degreeing help It would be hard to get a really bent dowel pin into the bushing. __________________ Alan Roehrich 212A G/S

03-28-2009, 09:09 AM	#20
MHoward Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 51 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: cam degreeing help Did you unscrewed the tip out of your Dial indicator so it will Lay flat on your Lifter? Last edited by MHoward; 03-28-2009 at 09:25 AM. Reason: Because