Should Indy be an All Run Field in Stock?

[442OLDS]

Just wanted to start a controversial thread before racing season gets under way for me.
Since it has been pretty much determined that the fastest cars relative to their indexes are not necessarily the "hardest working",but may also be a beneficiary of a "soft" horsepower factor,what would be wrong with running Indy as an All run field?

Even Big Daddy would have qualified if this policy was in effect last year.

(Disclaimer: This is just for discussion only.Don't beat me up too bad! (LOL)

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by 442OLDS

Just wanted to start a controversial thread before racing season gets under way for me.
Since it has been pretty much determined that the fastest cars relative to their indexes are not necessarily the "hardest working",but may also be a beneficiary of a "soft" horsepower factor,what would be wrong with running Indy as an All run field?

Even Big Daddy would have qualified if this policy was in effect last year.

(Disclaimer: This is just for discussion only.Don't beat me up too bad! (LOL)

You left out an important option:
"ALL class winners first then fastest class losers".Oh,I'm sorry that's the way it used to be.
If you substitute your name for Big Daddys I think that would be to your liking.
If you add that option I think I can make an objective vote.
Hey,it's only a discussion.

[442OLDS]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

You left out an important option:
"ALL class winners first then fastest class losers".Oh,I'm sorry that's the way it used to be.
If you substitute your name for Big Daddys I think that would be to your liking.
Hey,it's just a discussion.

That is correct,but do you honestly think that you could qualify too?
Just asking.Just remember that one second under before is only 7 tenths under now.

[Ed Fernandez]

See below.

[442OLDS]

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

I know that in that weather my car was MAYBE a .90 under car.So why bother to waste a whole lot of travel money to make 2-3 time shots and then sit it out?

I will ask the same questions of you that you asked of me.Why are you so slow?
Don't you work on your car?

( I know you have a tough combo to race especially in bad air)
(Just messing with you)

[Mike Carr]

The correct option isn't listed in the poll.

3) "All Class Winners, plus Low ET Qualifiers, to make 128 car field".

The only way Indy should EVER be all run is if 128, or less, cars show up. Otherwise, it's a glorified National Open with Class run-offs.

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by 442OLDS

That is correct,but do you honestly think that you could qualify too?
Just asking.Just remember that one second under before is only 7 tenths under now.

Right,but I'm not the only one penalised .3 .Everyone else is too.I know better than to go to Indy with my car.Every year it's common knowledge what it might take to make the field.
I know that in that weather my car was MAYBE a .90 under car.So why bother to waste a whole lot of travel money to make 2-3 time shots and then sit it out?
There is no way in hell you'll see an all run field at ANY national event.
BTW I would have to deal with Bob Shaw,Cap't Jack,Brian Philbrick and a few other jet pilots in R or T.

[Doug Blackley]

Class winners first then fill tbe 128 car field with fastest cars as it was.

[Alan Roehrich]

Originally Posted by Doug Blackley

Class winners first then fill tbe 128 car field with fastest cars as it was.

The only problem I have with this is the classes with one car that never competes for class, and many times would not even come close to qualifying based off of the index.

So I'd say contested class winners get in, not just class winners.

Because these are performance based eliminators. If you do not have to race another car to win class, then you should qualify according to how far you run under your index. Performance based means you measure yourself against competitors. If there are no competitors in your class, then you measure your performance against the rest of the cars qualifying off of their index.

Yeah, I know, "it's not your fault you're the only person who built an obscure combination for a class no one else in the country runs." But it is your fault if that combination can't run far enough under the index to qualify. If the guy who decides to run B/SA against 10-15 other cars, but doesn't win class, does not qualify running 0.780 under his index, why should anyone who competes against no one get in if they can't run 0.500 under going down hill with a tail wind, just because they got to solo for class? How do you call it a performance based eliminator, then reward someone for avoiding the need to compete based on performance? If you're going to do that, just stopping racing, and give everyone a trophy for showing up.

[Ed Fernandez]

Originally Posted by Alan Roehrich

The only problem I have with this is the classes with one car that never competes for class, and many times would not even come close to qualifying based off of the index.

So I'd say contested class winners get in, not just class winners.

Because these are performance based eliminators. If you do not have to race another car to win class, then you should qualify according to how far you run under your index. Performance based means you measure yourself against competitors. If there are no competitors in your class, then you measure your performance against the rest of the cars qualifying off of their index.

Yeah, I know, "it's not your fault you're the only person who built an obscure combination for a class no one else in the country runs." But it is your fault if that combination can't run far enough under the index to qualify. If the guy who decides to run B/SA against 10-15 other cars, but doesn't win class, does not qualify running 0.780 under his index, why should anyone who competes against no one get in if they can't run 0.500 under going down hill with a tail wind, just because they got to solo for class? How do you call it a performance based eliminator, then reward someone for avoiding the need to compete based on performance? If you're going to do that, just stopping racing, and give everyone a trophy for showing up.

Alan,the knife cuts both ways.I had a car that ran T/SA.There are more than a few around the country. It's not my fault if they don't care to come to Indy.
Worse comes to worse they could run the auto/stick combo if need be.