1967 Dodge Dart question

Jim Cimarolli · 06-23-2016, 01:47 PM

'67 Dodge Dart 273 auto car. Has 4,25 wheel bolt pattern. Is there anything that will swap on the front end to be able to use the 4.5 inch wheel bolt pattern? Disc or drum.

Peter Ash · 06-23-2016, 03:03 PM

SSBC has many kits available.

http://ssbrakes.com/i-10092519-disc-...es-a153-1.html

or;

the Mopar to Mopar swap, but I believe this widens the front track by 1.5"

http://www.moparts.org/Tech/tech/pages/abody.html

btbelvedere · 06-23-2016, 04:32 PM

A lot of years ago, I bought some wheel adapters. 4" to 4.5" bolt pattern. I removed the studs from the adapter and bolted it on the drum/hub. Used the empty holes as a guide and drilled new holes. There's plenty of room and now I can use common wheels.

Steve Stasko · 06-23-2016, 07:47 PM

A lot of '74 and up A-bodies had disc brakes with the large bolt pattern. This stuff would be a direct swap.

Some people will tell you they made the change in '73, but I had a '73 Dart Swinger, 225/auto that had small bolt pattern discs, with left handed studs too on the driver's side. I was pretty disappointed when I popped the hubcaps off on that one. It was one of those factory oddballs I guess. '73 was supposed to have the 4.5" bolt pattern, along with the right handed studs.

FED 387 · 06-23-2016, 08:32 PM

If you are going to use the later disc brake stuff you must use everything from between ball joint to ball joint you should also use the proportion ing valve from the donor car and quite possibly the upper. control arms too

Coleydog · 06-23-2016, 09:53 PM

Stock drums can be drilled for the bigger 4.5 bolt circle or go to the aluminum hubs and rotor kit from Strange, fits the drum spindle.

Charrlie_S · 07-02-2016, 08:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim Cimarolli

'67 Dodge Dart 273 auto car. Has 4,25 wheel bolt pattern. Is there anything that will swap on the front end to be able to use the 4.5 inch wheel bolt pattern? Disc or drum.

There are many options. First question: Does your car have 9 or 10 inch drums at present? Second, do the parts, and/or tread width, have to meet rule specs?

There are aftermarket kits, and also later Mopar parts that will give you anything you need.
If you already have 10 in drums, I'm pretty sure the later large bolt pattern hubs and drums will work (I would have to double check). If you have 9 inch drums, the spindle needs to be changed to use factory 10 inch parts. There are after market kits for disc brakes, that work with the 9 inch spindle. Also the later year Mopar "A" Body disc brake parts can be used, to up grade.
If you need more info, send me an e-mail at flturbo6@aol.com and I will give more details.
Charlie

Myron Piatek · 07-03-2016, 02:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Steve Stasko

A lot of '74 and up A-bodies had disc brakes with the large bolt pattern. This stuff would be a direct swap.

Some people will tell you they made the change in '73, but I had a '73 Dart Swinger, 225/auto that had small bolt pattern discs, with left handed studs too on the driver's side. I was pretty disappointed when I popped the hubcaps off on that one. It was one of those factory oddballs I guess. '73 was supposed to have the 4.5" bolt pattern, along with the right handed studs.

I'll bet your Dart was a very early production model and Chrysler used left over pieces on it. Lots of rumors to using up parts that way. I bought an early '72 Challenger in '73 with a forged crank and 2.02" valves! I don't recall what compression the pistons were or the block casting date. Everything appeared original.

It's my understanding that while Mopar did go to the 4.5" bolt pattern in 1973, it was only with the disc brake option. The cars with drums all around, usually the /6 models, stayed with the 4" pattern. I'm not sure if the ever changed to 4.5" on the drums by '76, the last year of the A-bodies. Seems like I heard something about it but can't confirm.

Steve Stasko · 07-03-2016, 09:48 PM

Myron, actually it was not an early car. I still have the Broadcast Sheet somewhere (car was rough, was made into new Darts). I seem to recall it was built in March of '73. The VIN was LH23C3B548988.

James L Miller · 07-03-2016, 11:45 PM

I would suggest replacing the 1967 K-member with a later unit. I have a 1967 Dart and the idler arm has a stud on it instead of the double ears and the bolt and nut. My idler arm wore out quickly. I suppose you could weld on another ear to use the later idler arm.

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Jim Cimarolli Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Sulphur Springs Texas Posts: 728 Likes: 108 Liked 135 Times in 40 Posts	1967 Dodge Dart question '67 Dodge Dart 273 auto car. Has 4,25 wheel bolt pattern. Is there anything that will swap on the front end to be able to use the 4.5 inch wheel bolt pattern? Disc or drum.

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Peter Ash Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 262 Likes: 2 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: 1967 Dodge Dart question SSBC has many kits available. http://ssbrakes.com/i-10092519-disc-...es-a153-1.html or; the Mopar to Mopar swap, but I believe this widens the front track by 1.5" http://www.moparts.org/Tech/tech/pages/abody.html __________________ Peter Ash 6100 STK

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btbelvedere Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 6 Likes: 0 Liked 5 Times in 1 Post	Re: 1967 Dodge Dart question A lot of years ago, I bought some wheel adapters. 4" to 4.5" bolt pattern. I removed the studs from the adapter and bolted it on the drum/hub. Used the empty holes as a guide and drilled new holes. There's plenty of room and now I can use common wheels.

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Steve Stasko Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Western PA Posts: 417 Likes: 5 Liked 228 Times in 120 Posts	Re: 1967 Dodge Dart question A lot of '74 and up A-bodies had disc brakes with the large bolt pattern. This stuff would be a direct swap. Some people will tell you they made the change in '73, but I had a '73 Dart Swinger, 225/auto that had small bolt pattern discs, with left handed studs too on the driver's side. I was pretty disappointed when I popped the hubcaps off on that one. It was one of those factory oddballs I guess. '73 was supposed to have the 4.5" bolt pattern, along with the right handed studs.

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FED 387 VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,349 Likes: 324 Liked 280 Times in 150 Posts	Re: 1967 Dodge Dart question If you are going to use the later disc brake stuff you must use everything from between ball joint to ball joint you should also use the proportion ing valve from the donor car and quite possibly the upper. control arms too

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Coleydog Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Posts: 561 Likes: 33 Liked 47 Times in 32 Posts	Re: 1967 Dodge Dart question Stock drums can be drilled for the bigger 4.5 bolt circle or go to the aluminum hubs and rotor kit from Strange, fits the drum spindle.

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Steve Stasko Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Western PA Posts: 417 Likes: 5 Liked 228 Times in 120 Posts	Re: 1967 Dodge Dart question Myron, actually it was not an early car. I still have the Broadcast Sheet somewhere (car was rough, was made into new Darts). I seem to recall it was built in March of '73. The VIN was LH23C3B548988.

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James L Miller Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 495 Likes: 6 Liked 24 Times in 15 Posts	Re: 1967 Dodge Dart question I would suggest replacing the 1967 K-member with a later unit. I have a 1967 Dart and the idler arm has a stud on it instead of the double ears and the bolt and nut. My idler arm wore out quickly. I suppose you could weld on another ear to use the later idler arm. __________________ Mopar 2 Ya!