oilpan and camcore

HankN · 07-19-2019, 12:01 PM

I has a engine update on a Cuda 70 with street Hemi for AA/SA in Sweden.

2 things I need to clear up, as I hear dual messages on.
I has bought the new Mopar Performance block and will change the oil pan.
The oil pan in the list was OEM 6Q ( as I used before )
A CRF 7Q ( 2” deeper than OEM ) was ok to all BB Mopars but not the Hemi before.
https://www.cfrperformance.com/CHRYS...cfr-7117-z.htm
I did ask NHRA, so they has now approved it.
But I did also ask NHRA on a Mopar oil pan as they say on the ‘field’ a 8Q race pan is legal, as it has a Mopar part number.
Many seems to use them and speed shop I will use say they is ‘legal’, but NHRA tech told me, it’s not legal just as they has a Mopar part number
Only a oil pan that are listed or OEM is legal.

-So question is ; What to do here as it seems the MP 8Q race pan do pass tech on the field by NHRA.

Next question.
As a new block is ongoing at this moment, I can get it machined on the cam core I prefer, OEM or bigger.
Again, if I read the rule book it is not allowed, and if I ask NHRA tech it is not allowed.
But out on the field I heard this is consider ok as with babbit bearing it can be seen as a ‘service’, and it pass tech since many years.

Can some help me celar this out ?

P.S. I like to use listed parts and read the rule book, and I did actually get the older MP block listed ok from NHRA just some years ago.

ss3011 · 07-19-2019, 06:58 PM

I would call a division Tech Director or the National Tech Director , and go with what they tell you is legal . Just because some racers get away with some of that shady stuff , doesn't mean they are legal .

FED 387 · 07-19-2019, 08:46 PM

SS3011--- the guys in SWEDEN not the US who's he gonna call???

Tom Broome · 07-19-2019, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by FED 387

SS3011--- the guys in SWEDEN not the US who's he gonna call???

They have this new-fangled thing called e-mail, that might work

Seriously though, let an NHRA representative answer the question for you. Then decide if what the racers tell you is the direction you choose.

MR DERBY CITY · 07-19-2019, 11:52 PM

What ever you do Hank, Do NOT e mail Pat Cevengros....trust me on this one....

Larry Hill · 07-20-2019, 07:50 AM

Dave, Harry, or Wesley

HankN · 07-20-2019, 08:42 AM

Ok, thanks.
How to contact them.
Note, we run by NHRA rules here.
The NHRA tech I mailed/talked to is Pat Cevengros by the way.
What racer say or speed shop or engine builders says is secondary, so I must has on print what one can do or not to pass a NHRA in USA tech.
I’ll just wonder how Mr Cevengros can has other sights than others from NHRA ?

I’m not new into this as I been in stock since mid 80’s.
I has read the book as the bible, then related to engine builders what was accepted, but it’s been more of rumours and then we had the part list and rotating list.
But on this new update I will has in on print exactly what is ok 2019 or not, even as I’m aware of the complexity.
But why should it be ‘complex’ at all as rule book is there and it is a accepted part list at the NHRA web site.

MR DERBY CITY · 07-20-2019, 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MR DERBY CITY

What ever you do Hank, Do NOT e mail Pat Cevengros....trust me on this one....

Hank, please read this AGAIN.!!!!! I would take Larry Hills advice ..Regards....

HankN · 07-20-2019, 03:00 PM

What role in NHRA has Cvengros ?
I don’t need to mail him again as I got clear message from him on this 2 issues I ask about what’s going on at the field.
So let’s see what others at NHRA in tech can do here out on print.

I need contact information, or if some other tech person read this ; you are more than welcome to help me out.

Race Clean · 07-20-2019, 03:21 PM

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Originally Posted by HankN

I ask about what’s going on at the field.

Just about everything, but I don't think anyone will tell you what they did!

07-19-2019, 12:01 PM	#1
HankN Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 18 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	oilpan and camcore I has a engine update on a Cuda 70 with street Hemi for AA/SA in Sweden. 2 things I need to clear up, as I hear dual messages on. I has bought the new Mopar Performance block and will change the oil pan. The oil pan in the list was OEM 6Q ( as I used before ) A CRF 7Q ( 2” deeper than OEM ) was ok to all BB Mopars but not the Hemi before. https://www.cfrperformance.com/CHRYS...cfr-7117-z.htm I did ask NHRA, so they has now approved it. But I did also ask NHRA on a Mopar oil pan as they say on the ‘field’ a 8Q race pan is legal, as it has a Mopar part number. Many seems to use them and speed shop I will use say they is ‘legal’, but NHRA tech told me, it’s not legal just as they has a Mopar part number Only a oil pan that are listed or OEM is legal. -So question is ; What to do here as it seems the MP 8Q race pan do pass tech on the field by NHRA. Next question. As a new block is ongoing at this moment, I can get it machined on the cam core I prefer, OEM or bigger. Again, if I read the rule book it is not allowed, and if I ask NHRA tech it is not allowed. But out on the field I heard this is consider ok as with babbit bearing it can be seen as a ‘service’, and it pass tech since many years. Can some help me celar this out ? P.S. I like to use listed parts and read the rule book, and I did actually get the older MP block listed ok from NHRA just some years ago. Last edited by HankN; 07-20-2019 at 04:52 PM.

07-19-2019, 06:58 PM	#2
ss3011 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Southeast Michigan Posts: 885 Likes: 63 Liked 221 Times in 102 Posts	Re: oilpan and camcore I would call a division Tech Director or the National Tech Director , and go with what they tell you is legal . Just because some racers get away with some of that shady stuff , doesn't mean they are legal .

07-19-2019, 08:46 PM	#3
FED 387 VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,349 Likes: 327 Liked 280 Times in 150 Posts	Re: oilpan and camcore SS3011--- the guys in SWEDEN not the US who's he gonna call???

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07-20-2019, 07:50 AM	#6
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07-20-2019, 08:42 AM	#7
HankN Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 18 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: oilpan and camcore Ok, thanks. How to contact them. Note, we run by NHRA rules here. The NHRA tech I mailed/talked to is Pat Cevengros by the way. What racer say or speed shop or engine builders says is secondary, so I must has on print what one can do or not to pass a NHRA in USA tech. I’ll just wonder how Mr Cevengros can has other sights than others from NHRA ? I’m not new into this as I been in stock since mid 80’s. I has read the book as the bible, then related to engine builders what was accepted, but it’s been more of rumours and then we had the part list and rotating list. But on this new update I will has in on print exactly what is ok 2019 or not, even as I’m aware of the complexity. But why should it be ‘complex’ at all as rule book is there and it is a accepted part list at the NHRA web site. Last edited by HankN; 07-20-2019 at 04:53 PM.

07-20-2019, 03:00 PM	#9
HankN Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Posts: 18 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 3 Posts	Re: oilpan and camcore What role in NHRA has Cvengros ? I don’t need to mail him again as I got clear message from him on this 2 issues I ask about what’s going on at the field. So let’s see what others at NHRA in tech can do here out on print. I need contact information, or if some other tech person read this ; you are more than welcome to help me out. Last edited by HankN; 07-20-2019 at 04:53 PM.