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Old 12-07-2011, 08:10 AM   #1
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Question Stock seat clarification please

I don't think I have ever seen this in a stocker---but very common in a super stocker---are "Kirkey" type lightweight racing seats legal in stock eliminator......any suggestions on a lighter seat ??? PLEASE NO DIET OR WEIGHT WATCHING SUGGESTIONS !!!!
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Old 12-07-2011, 08:41 AM   #2
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Default Re: Stock seat clarification please

In Stock the seats must be same as year/model claimed. That's one of the things that some of us believe needs to be changed for the sake do safety. No way a 30 year old seat with no lateral support is as safe as a proper racing seat.
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Old 12-07-2011, 08:57 AM   #3
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I don't think I have ever seen this in a stocker---but very common in a super stocker---are "Kirkey" type lightweight racing seats legal in stock eliminator......any suggestions on a lighter seat ??? PLEASE NO DIET OR WEIGHT WATCHING SUGGESTIONS !!!!

UPHOLSTERY
Must have full factory-type upholstery for year/model claimed,
including factory-type floor mats or carpet, door panels and
headliner, and front and rear seats. Interior gutting prohibited.
Driver’s seat tracks may be bolted down. Sun visors optional. Rear
seat may be removed when roll bar is installed; area must be
carpeted or upholstered equivalent to factory specifications (no
bare paneling). See General Regulations 6:2.


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Old 12-07-2011, 09:04 AM   #4
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Default Re: Stock seat clarification please

There have been a good number of threads here on Class Racer about what's a legal seat in Stock eliminator. Right now, according to the rules, the only seat legal is the one that the vehicle came with, or an optional seat(s) available as an sport interior upgrade. Other than a possible weight advantage, an aftermarket seat would obviously be much safer, but so far the rules haven't been changed to better protect us! Be thankful the Camaro came with bucket seats and not a non-adjustable bench seat!

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Old 12-07-2011, 09:50 AM   #5
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I don't think I have ever seen this in a stocker---but very common in a super stocker---are "Kirkey" type lightweight racing seats legal in stock eliminator......any suggestions on a lighter seat ??? PLEASE NO DIET OR WEIGHT WATCHING SUGGESTIONS !!!!
There you have it sports fans! The REAL reason for wanting aftermarket seats in Stock.
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Old 12-07-2011, 10:19 AM   #6
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There you have it sports fans! The REAL reason for wanting aftermarket seats in Stock.
BS, the REAL reason is safety....I've been around a fair number of road courses as well as driven some pretty fast door cars and dragsters....a racing seat provides a real sense of security. Granted, a secondary consideration is the fact you could theoretically move a bit more weight to the rear but if you can't hook a stocker without resorting to that then you've got other issues in play.
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Question Re: Stock seat clarification please

Where does Super Stock get the green flag on kirkey type seats ???
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Old 12-07-2011, 10:43 AM   #8
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Where does Super Stock get the green flag on kirkey type seats ???


UPHOLSTERY
Must have full factory-type upholstery, including factory-type floor
mats or carpet, door panels, and headliner, and front and rear
seats. Interior gutting prohibited. Driver’s seat tracks may be bolted
down. Sun visors optional. Rear seat may be removed when roll bar
or roll cage is installed; area must be carpeted or upholstered
equivalent to factory specifications (no bare paneling). Full-size
aftermarket front seats permitted; must be upholstered and
supported. See General Regulations 6:2.
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Old 12-07-2011, 11:06 AM   #9
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Search for "stock seats" and threads like this one will pop up:
http://classracer.com/classforum/sho...ht=stock+seats
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Old 12-07-2011, 11:24 AM   #10
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Stock appearing racing seats should be a no brainer! The problem is changing the minds of the people with no brains. Two year harnesses but no safety seats? Really? This *IS* a safety issue! Jim

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