Proposal and NHRA and IHRA Responses

[Ed Carpenter]

I've had some email saying you have to have a 100k car to qualify in the top 10. You're proposal is for the rich. Well, I dont think that's true. I know several racers that can qualify in the top 10 that dont have nearly that much in their car. After 11 years we are finally getting our car to run decent. We've had the power with Allen's engine but could never put it all together. We are close to -.90 under now and working for more. Can we ever get in the top 10 in qualifying that remains to be seen. We will find out soon enough. Thanks for all those who support my proposals, I appreciate it. Ed

[Rich67stang]

I have a low qualifying stocker, Which is a stick car, And I still agree with making S/SS
Performance based as Ed has suggested. My Superstocker is fast, but I have it turned WAY down on RPM because it is useless to beat up the motor for no reason, based on current racing rules. I always want to go faster, but Then I tell myself why bother, other than self EGO.

Good Luck Ed and everyone else who is committed to making S/SS the best it can.

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Ed Carpenter

I've had some email saying you have to have a 100k car to qualify in the top 10. You're proposal is for the rich.

Now, that's funny, right there...

[MR DERBY CITY]

Originally Posted by Darrel Goheen

I think I understand the performance part of it (how it use to be when you worked hard to get the performance and not just write a check for it). I only posted that because that's what I heard and still hear the most in the pits and staging lanes....is how to avoid a heads up race. I am all in favor of having class eliminations at events to reward those that can afford a fast car. I very much like having a class with stock appearing cars and that's one of the main reasons I got involved with Stock. I would have only been kidding myself if I thought I could afford to be competitive in heads up rounds. If you think Stock and Super Stock should be about performance, then they should change it back to running off indexes but I'd guess the classes would die in a hurry and I'm guessing that's why it was changed away from that. I know my thoughts are not worth much because I'm relatively new in Stock and I'm a "bracket guy" and that's OK. As near as I can figure it costs me an average of about $1,000.00 to participate at an NHRA Divisional or National event. If a heads up round costs me a couple races I'll be done with travelling very far, if at all to attend those events to race Stock. Either way I've very much enjoyed racing in Stock the last couple of years. I've met a LOT of great guys and girls doing it and will always treasure that. Thanks.

The difference between you and Todd Hoven is that if he gets beat in a few heads up runs he goes backs to the drawing board , works on the car ,etc,etc, You,on the other hand will be done with traveling very far. Stock eliminator is NOT for everyone. Us OLD guys don't appreciate it when you newbies try to DUMB it down to fit your agenda. Kinda like a college basketball player entering the NBA and asking the commissioner to move the 3 point line closer to the basket....LOL.....

[JBperformance]

Sounds to me like you like Comp Eliminator more than Stock/SuperStock. I would make the switch if that is really what floats your boat. There are many other items to address to bring people back to racing, biggest one is funding. Things have gotten incredibly expensive outside of racing to allow a lot of participation these days. Health Care, Housing, Jobs ect.. I myself miss it and I will be back soon as soon as I finish my new build.

[ALMACK]

Originally Posted by Ed Carpenter

There is strength in numbers. Please everyone send an email to Graham Light and cc Glen Gray. If you want send me a quick email to trooper10538@netzero.com and I will attack my proposal so you can attach it to your email to them. Add your thoughts or whatever you want in your email to Graham. The more the better. Thanks.

e-mail sent to you Ed.

Thanks for your hard work on this matter.

As someone that enjoys setting Stock records, I would like to see NHRA return to posting both the 1/8th and 1/4 mile records in National Dragster.

[Ed Carpenter]

One thing that is brought up quite a bit is that racers feel the factory cars will get all the top 10 points for qualifying. I dont think that's true. As we've seen this weekend there are traditional cars that can run very fast they just general dont show it. It will come down to if you want the point hold your foot down in qualifying. Herd is the top 10 this weekend. Oh just to keep people up to date many positive emails and texts this week about my proposal and one you need to go to comp lol......

As you can see a variety of cars qualified in top 10.

ENGLISHTOWN, N.J. - Final order after 3 rounds of qualifying in Stock Eliminator at the NHRA Mello Yello Drag Racing Series, 48th NHRA Summernationals:
Psn--Num--Class-Driver, Home Town, Machine-----------------ET---Index---(+/-)

1 1977 F/SA Michael Iacono, Ridge NY, '85 Camaro 10.646 11.85 -1.204
2 1204 FS/D Don Carson, Ridgewood NJ, '13 Mustang 9.422 10.60 -1.178
3 77 F/SA Mike Cotten, Cave Creek AZ, '73 Duster 10.714 11.85 -1.136
4 1013 A/SA David Ficacci, Whippany NJ, '69 Camaro 9.876 11.00 -1.124
5 1608 FS/D Gary Richard, Bayshore NY, '10 Mustang 9.483 10.60 -1.117
6 J191 FS/B Jonathan Allegrucci, Scott Township PA, ' 8.884 10.00 -1.116
7 1525 H/SA Daniel Lynch, Clifton Park NY, '69 Camaro 11.036 12.15 -1.114
8 1021 K/SA Eugene Monahan, Brockton MA, '89 Pontiac 11.542 12.65 -1.108
9 198 I/SA Steve Szupka, Northampton PA, '85 Camaro 11.195 12.30 -1.105
10 154 G/SA Anthony Fetch, Colonia NJ, '69 Camaro 10.896 12.00 -1.104

ENGLISHTOWN, N.J. - Final order after 3 rounds of qualifying in Super Stock at the NHRA Mello Yello Drag Racing Series, 48th NHRA Summernationals:
Psn--Num--Class-Driver, Home Town, Machine-----------------ET---Index---(+/-)

1 1990 FSS/D David Barton, Robesonia PA, '14 Mustang 8.830 9.90 -1.070
2 1735 FGT/B Don Belles Jr, Lensdale PA, '08 Mustang 8.212 9.20 -0.988
3 1671 GT/MA William Kennedy, Wilkes Barre PA, '85 Fir 10.213 11.20 -0.987
4 1005 FSS/F David Thomas, W. Chester PA, '11 Challeng 9.245 10.20 -0.955
5 1058 GT/LA James Daniels, Yardley PA, '84 Camaro 10.105 11.05 -0.945
6 75 GT/JA Mike Cotten, Cave Creek AZ, '70 Barracuda 9.858 10.80 -0.942
7 1022 FGT/J Jeffrey Bardekoff, Commack NY, '68 Barrac 9.664 10.60 -0.936
8 1513 GT/OA Doug Chervanik, Sunbury PA, '82 Camaro 10.516 11.45 -0.934
9 1515 GT/EA Jeffrey Lawrence, Qougue NY, '88 Mustang 9.170 10.10 -0.930
10 1903 SS/CA Jeff Ellex, Lackawaxen PA, '69 Camaro 9.124 10

[Ed Wright]

Originally Posted by Ed Carpenter

I've had some email saying you have to have a 100k car to qualify in the top 10. You're proposal is for the rich. Well, I dont think that's true. I know several racers that can qualify in the top 10 that dont have nearly that much in their car. After 11 years we are finally getting our car to run decent. We've had the power with Allen's engine but could never put it all together. We are close to -.90 under now and working for more. Can we ever get in the top 10 in qualifying that remains to be seen. We will find out soon enough. Thanks for all those who support my proposals, I appreciate it. Ed

Ed, many (maybe most?) slow guys think people faster than them have, or at least spend, more money. Can't possibly be their own lack of knowledge, ability, or effort. Likely spend no time or money on testing. Some of them even buy engines. They should just go run ET brackets.

[Nmbr1GMfan]

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

Some of them even buy engines. They should just go run ET brackets.

What are the prerequisites to fit in with class racers, you gotta build your own engine?

[SStockDart]

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

Ed, many (maybe most?) slow guys think people faster than them have, or at least spend, more money. Can't possibly be their own lack of knowledge, ability, or effort. Likely spend no time or money on testing. Some of them even buy engines. They should just go run ET brackets.

Ed, when I got back into racing after raising my family, I thought I could still build a competitive engine since I could run the record in early 70's....I was way wrong. Until I got a Steve Wann engine, I couldn't even run the index.