Intelligent speculation needed - Page 2

RocketBlock · 07-10-2007, 11:15 AM

Intelligent speculation needed. Be reasonable. The car has not gone up in value since you purchased it. If so, why? Whatever you paid for it is what it is worth. No more. Do you actually have a clear title for the car or is there a lien on the car? Since a commercial carrier supposedly rear ended you I would assume they have insurance. Two years now and they haven't paid on the property damage? Why? Is there a fight over who's actually at fault? If not, they must be fighting on the value. 3rd gen SS f bodies sell all day long for roughly $25K and that's about what you paid. Or didn't.

bigshow2966 · 07-10-2007, 02:55 PM

Just my thoughts, but the car is not "historic" enough yet to be worth much, especially if it's wrecked and only cosmetically fixed. Mr. Biondo is one of the toughest racers out there, but he has not become a legend like Da Grump. Also, that car does not have the signifigance of Grump's Vega which changed the face of Pro Stock, or the oddity of the Chevelle.

Bruce Fulper · 07-10-2007, 04:24 PM

Key word - "Yet."
But I believe Pete has won more races than the Grump. He'll never be "The Grump" cause he doesn't design engines, engine parts, etc like Grumpy did. I only mentioned those other two cars because they are the only NHRA race cars with history that have been on the auction block that I know of. I guess a Sox and Martin car sold a while back. The historical signifigance of my car has value.

I thought there might be an appraiser with this kind of experience out there. We're not talking insurance. We're not talking plain replacement value. It's like being a stock broker..........

SSDiv6 · 07-10-2007, 04:41 PM

Bruce...one big difference is that the "Hatari" car is not considered a vintage Musclecar. You cannot put the Firebird at the same level as those cars that have sold. All the cars that have sold at auctions such as the Sox & Martin car, Truppi-Kling Chevelle, Ramchargers, etc... and others, started and are very desirable musclecars. Sorry...but...with all respect to Peter Biondo and Phil...your car does not fall under the same category....unless...you are trying to have it appraised at the same level for insurance purposes.

RocketBlock · 07-10-2007, 04:47 PM

John Gallina sold his Buick SS GN. First 7 second SS, numerous world records well over a quarter-million into it. What did he get? $45K? Or was it $35K? That was at a premire auction block. Car's like Sox & Martin, Grumpy and other marquee drivers sell for a lot because they are muscle cars and / or driven by stars that little boys dream about. Their entire youth was spent reading about these cars and drivers in SS&DI and every other publication. They sometimes grow up to be rich men. They pay whatever it takes to get these cars. I don't think anybody but you see's this f body pontiac as a cash cow.
So what have they offered?

SAL PIACENTINI · 07-10-2007, 09:52 PM

Rocket block,your 1st post was on the money.For those that don't know me I was the last person to race this car & disassembled it before a trailer & 5K was sent East to pick it up.Mr Pontiac said don't worry I'll send the other 10K asap.Well the only thing that came for some time was it's a piece of junk & complaining.Now thats a been used by beaters for years but I always thought he might be using it to explain to people why his 6x-400 would only run 10:50's.Phil has a big heart & never got angry & just figured he would come thru someday.For 7 yrs or so I offered to collect but Phil declined.A few bucks trickled in & some new valves & lifter braces plus a 428 block & a couple of head cores.What really stuns me is a month or so ago the insurance adjuster calls & asks about the sale price & could he provide a letter with that amount.I said you got to be kidding,why not ask for the balance before you mail anything. But no being the guy he is a generous letter is sent.I have no axe to grind with Floper as from the early 90's I was warned by some good Pontiac racers never send any money.My purpose for writing this is that anyone with a brain can see the scam here. It can"t be worth anything since the present owner stated it wasn't a good car. The real scam would be if it shows up someday with Hatari on it's sides & looks a lot like Bales old stripper that the boy has now.Peter never drove that one.

Tim H · 07-10-2007, 10:10 PM

A few years ago, Joe Amato sold one of his top fuel cars on Barret Jackson. Joe was there personally to "hype " the crowd and it still only sold for something like $35000 .
Nothing against the Hatari car , but I feel Amato's name and reputation is significantly greater than this SS racer. Just to clarify I consider SS racing great entertainment.

RocketBlock · 07-10-2007, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Bruce Fulper

C'mon boy - let everyone know what you're made out of - cause I'm standing RIGHT here willing to take any one of these bull**** allegations. One sided stories have NO place on this or any other site. Want to know the truth, come, get into my business - and when you're embarrassed you can apolgize - but - do "one siders" ever apologize? Only r-e-a-l men do.

You go "Rocketblock - have a ball trying to make me look bad. I've done nothing to no one. But when you're good, little people just LOVE trying to take you down. I'm sure you can also belittle my win at Indy too. Let's see how much of your childishness the moderator allows. Seems he has a hard on for me too anyhow.

I'm used to it Blockhead Block.

That's what it says!
You got to be kidding right?

Look Bruce,
Looks like you stepped on your dick big time! It's no longer a "bull**** allegations. One sided stories". I enjoy the company of the Biondo's at the races and have been waiting a long time for you to open up this can of worms. Knew you would do it too because you can't stay off the keyboards long enough to think straight. I'm glad the "real" story worked its way out of all the BS. Now look what you said: "and when you're embarrassed you can apolgize - but - do "one siders" ever apologize? Only r-e-a-l men do."
I'm wondering. When you pay up are you going to apologize?

Last thing I'm going to say. You won class at Indy. It's in every signature and post you make. It's on your phone message. It's all over your web site. I just want to know this. Why did you pack up and leave after going down the track? Drove all that way to enter a race and didn't stick around for the race. What's with that?

RocketBlock · 07-10-2007, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by SAL PIACENTINI

Rocket block,your 1st post was on the money.For those that don't know me I was the last person to race this car & disassembled it before a trailer & 5K was sent East to pick it up.Mr Pontiac said don't worry I'll send the other 10K asap.Well the only thing that came for some time was it's a piece of junk & complaining.Now thats a been used by beaters for years but I always thought he might be using it to explain to people why his 6x-400 would only run 10:50's.Phil has a big heart & never got angry & just figured he would come thru someday.For 7 yrs or so I offered to collect but Phil declined.A few bucks trickled in & some new valves & lifter braces plus a 428 block & a couple of head cores.What really stuns me is a month or so ago the insurance adjuster calls & asks about the sale price & could he provide a letter with that amount.I said you got to be kidding,why not ask for the balance before you mail anything. But no being the guy he is a generous letter is sent.I have no axe to grind with Floper as from the early 90's I was warned by some good Pontiac racers never send any money.My purpose for writing this is that anyone with a brain can see the scam here. It can"t be worth anything since the present owner stated it wasn't a good car. The real scam would be if it shows up someday with Hatari on it's sides & looks a lot like Bales old stripper that the boy has now.Peter never drove that one.

Thanks Sal. Your a good man and the world knows it. Now the world knows "the rest of the story". And we all know Phil would give his last shirt off his back to anybody. Too bad this happened to him.
RB

Bruce Fulper · 07-11-2007, 01:43 AM

Support bacteria - They're the only culture some people have.

Sal - you're full of ****. Phil is a good friend - One of the nicest guys I ever met racing - I don't owe him a dime. I have every reciept of payment - so YOU lose. Ya think Phil would have lined me up at Indy if I owed him money? huh bright boy? Want to see it on YOU TUBE? All of you guys and your one sided **** go Fffff-f-f-f-fade way. There's NO terrible story to tell. Not a r-e-a-l one.

But gee, if it makes your day.......Talk to Phil in front of me ok big guy?

Then we'll see who's the cretin.

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Here I am, hiding from Phil and Peter at Pomona. Man - talk about an incredibly stealthy charactor. You should have seen how I waited for those guys to go to the bathroom and I snuck my car into their pits for this picture. Neat how I had the time to line them up like this eh? I barely made it out of there. Whew!

oh dudes - give it up - cause I got lots more where this came from. My business - Phils business - Ain't YOUR business.

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bright until you hear them speak.

07-10-2007, 11:15 AM	#11
RocketBlock Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 57 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Intelligent speculation needed Intelligent speculation needed. Be reasonable. The car has not gone up in value since you purchased it. If so, why? Whatever you paid for it is what it is worth. No more. Do you actually have a clear title for the car or is there a lien on the car? Since a commercial carrier supposedly rear ended you I would assume they have insurance. Two years now and they haven't paid on the property damage? Why? Is there a fight over who's actually at fault? If not, they must be fighting on the value. 3rd gen SS f bodies sell all day long for roughly $25K and that's about what you paid. Or didn't.

07-10-2007, 02:55 PM	#12
bigshow2966 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: chicago Posts: 616 Likes: 389 Liked 81 Times in 35 Posts	Re: Intelligent speculation needed Just my thoughts, but the car is not "historic" enough yet to be worth much, especially if it's wrecked and only cosmetically fixed. Mr. Biondo is one of the toughest racers out there, but he has not become a legend like Da Grump. Also, that car does not have the signifigance of Grump's Vega which changed the face of Pro Stock, or the oddity of the Chevelle.

07-10-2007, 04:24 PM	#13
Bruce Fulper Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: So. Cal. Posts: 651 Likes: 4 Liked 54 Times in 33 Posts	Re: Intelligent speculation needed Key word - "Yet." But I believe Pete has won more races than the Grump. He'll never be "The Grump" cause he doesn't design engines, engine parts, etc like Grumpy did. I only mentioned those other two cars because they are the only NHRA race cars with history that have been on the auction block that I know of. I guess a Sox and Martin car sold a while back. The historical signifigance of my car has value. I thought there might be an appraiser with this kind of experience out there. We're not talking insurance. We're not talking plain replacement value. It's like being a stock broker..........

07-10-2007, 04:41 PM	#14
SSDiv6 VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Glendale, Arizona Posts: 2,989 Likes: 690 Liked 1,453 Times in 541 Posts	Re: Intelligent speculation needed Bruce...one big difference is that the "Hatari" car is not considered a vintage Musclecar. You cannot put the Firebird at the same level as those cars that have sold. All the cars that have sold at auctions such as the Sox & Martin car, Truppi-Kling Chevelle, Ramchargers, etc... and others, started and are very desirable musclecars. Sorry...but...with all respect to Peter Biondo and Phil...your car does not fall under the same category....unless...you are trying to have it appraised at the same level for insurance purposes.

07-10-2007, 04:47 PM	#15
RocketBlock Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 57 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Intelligent speculation needed John Gallina sold his Buick SS GN. First 7 second SS, numerous world records well over a quarter-million into it. What did he get? $45K? Or was it $35K? That was at a premire auction block. Car's like Sox & Martin, Grumpy and other marquee drivers sell for a lot because they are muscle cars and / or driven by stars that little boys dream about. Their entire youth was spent reading about these cars and drivers in SS&DI and every other publication. They sometimes grow up to be rich men. They pay whatever it takes to get these cars. I don't think anybody but you see's this f body pontiac as a cash cow. So what have they offered?

07-10-2007, 09:52 PM	#16
SAL PIACENTINI Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 51 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Intelligent speculation needed Rocket block,your 1st post was on the money.For those that don't know me I was the last person to race this car & disassembled it before a trailer & 5K was sent East to pick it up.Mr Pontiac said don't worry I'll send the other 10K asap.Well the only thing that came for some time was it's a piece of junk & complaining.Now thats a been used by beaters for years but I always thought he might be using it to explain to people why his 6x-400 would only run 10:50's.Phil has a big heart & never got angry & just figured he would come thru someday.For 7 yrs or so I offered to collect but Phil declined.A few bucks trickled in & some new valves & lifter braces plus a 428 block & a couple of head cores.What really stuns me is a month or so ago the insurance adjuster calls & asks about the sale price & could he provide a letter with that amount.I said you got to be kidding,why not ask for the balance before you mail anything. But no being the guy he is a generous letter is sent.I have no axe to grind with Floper as from the early 90's I was warned by some good Pontiac racers never send any money.My purpose for writing this is that anyone with a brain can see the scam here. It can"t be worth anything since the present owner stated it wasn't a good car. The real scam would be if it shows up someday with Hatari on it's sides & looks a lot like Bales old stripper that the boy has now.Peter never drove that one.

07-10-2007, 10:10 PM	#17
Tim H VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,010 Likes: 897 Liked 430 Times in 142 Posts	Re: Intelligent speculation needed A few years ago, Joe Amato sold one of his top fuel cars on Barret Jackson. Joe was there personally to "hype " the crowd and it still only sold for something like $35000 . Nothing against the Hatari car , but I feel Amato's name and reputation is significantly greater than this SS racer. Just to clarify I consider SS racing great entertainment.

07-11-2007, 01:43 AM	#20
Bruce Fulper Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: So. Cal. Posts: 651 Likes: 4 Liked 54 Times in 33 Posts	Re: Intelligent speculation needed Support bacteria - They're the only culture some people have. Sal - you're full of **. Phil is a good friend - One of the nicest guys I ever met racing - I don't owe him a dime. I have every reciept of payment - so YOU lose. Ya think Phil would have lined me up at Indy if I owed him money? huh bright boy? Want to see it on YOU TUBE? All of you guys and your one sided ** go Fffff-f-f-f-fade way. There's NO terrible story to tell. Not a r-e-a-l one. But gee, if it makes your day.......Talk to Phil in front of me ok big guy? Then we'll see who's the cretin. Here I am, hiding from Phil and Peter at Pomona. Man - talk about an incredibly stealthy charactor. You should have seen how I waited for those guys to go to the bathroom and I snuck my car into their pits for this picture. Neat how I had the time to line them up like this eh? I barely made it out of there. Whew! oh dudes - give it up - cause I got lots more where this came from. My business - Phils business - Ain't YOUR business. Light travels faster than sound. That's why some people appear bright until you hear them speak. Last edited by Bruce Fulper; 07-13-2007 at 01:54 AM.