Stocker pistons...

brent flynn · 03-24-2013, 11:49 AM

JE vs CP vs ? Are they all about the same, quality/price wise/performance? CP quoted me about 1500... i about choked... JE is about 970.00 These are Pontiac pistons....'67-'79 Flat tops...i havent heard back from Venolia or Ross, yet....

Alan Roehrich · 03-24-2013, 12:42 PM

You'll do fine with JE, I use them in my Stock Eliminator engines, with Total Seal rings (I buy my oil rings direct from Speed Pro) and Trend wrist pins, with Kramm-Lox wire pin locks. My JE rep is Rick Leininger. I do buy from CP as well, they did my Super Stock pistons for the 396, they're good people, my rep there is Ed Urcis. H.M. Elliott coats all of my piston skirts, and my bearings, regardless of brand.

By the way, before placing an order on pistons, speak with your ring supplier and get the exact groove sizes they want for their ring package. I have Keith at Total Seal give me the dimensions he wants, and copy my piston rep on the emails so everyone is on the same page.

brent flynn · 03-24-2013, 12:54 PM

Thanks for the info, Alan... much appreciated...

Jeff Lee · 03-24-2013, 01:20 PM

My take is that JE took TRW pistons and copied them with some design improvements. So if TRW got the valve notches in the right place, then your OK. Unfortunately that is not always true.
CP came along and used factory OEM blueprints. CP found that TRW pistons were sometimes off. Being that P/V clearance is critical, that could be a big deal. And when CP started, they had the latest and greatest ring groove cutting fixtures. I do not know if JE has invested in the latest machinery for that operation but as you know, ring clearance is crucial to performance.
The bottom line, and this is just my opinion, there is a reason why you are seeing a 50% price difference. Ask these questions when you call them back.
You might also call Diamond or even Weisco. I have experience with Diamond but not with Weisco.

brent flynn · 03-24-2013, 10:02 PM

Thanks Jeff.... alot to learn, building a Stocker engine... some of you guys have been at it awhile... I turn 44, in a few months, and this is my 1st attempt. Gonna see what i can do, on a fairly tight budget... Hope to be at 2014 Indy points meet...i only live an hour from there! Shortblock goin to machine shop in a couple weeks... Tryin' to research pistons, dont wanna waste any money on the bottom end...

Dave Ribeiro · 03-24-2013, 11:00 PM

Brent,

As you are finding out everything cost motor for Pontiac's ... They don't make that many & that drives up the price ... I would shop around for a used shortblock to start & go from there .. Good Luck with your project.

SSDAD · 03-29-2013, 02:40 PM

Call Darren @ Patterson Racing (316) 775-7771. Their knowledge of the latest and greatest on piston and ring combos is second to none and their pricing is competitive.

Todd Hoven · 03-29-2013, 07:09 PM

Brent is a future STOCK racer on a budget, not a comp or SS racer.

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Originally Posted by SSDAD

Call Darren @ Patterson Racing (316) 775-7771. Their knowledge of the latest and greatest on piston and ring combos is second to none and their pricing is competitive.

brent flynn · 03-29-2013, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Todd Hoven

Brent is a future STOCK racer on a budget, not a comp or SS racer.

x2! hehe... Car ready to go to alignment shop, tomorrow... Started it up, topped off trans(repaired manual shaft leak, and serviced)... almost ready for a 10second blast!

Ed Wright · 04-01-2013, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Todd Hoven

Brent is a future STOCK racer on a budget, not a comp or SS racer.

Their pricing is as good as any bodies. Better than others I have used. That is where I buy most of my engine parts. They sell to a lot of stocker racers.

03-24-2013, 11:49 AM	#1
brent flynn Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Middletown, IN Posts: 593 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Stocker pistons... JE vs CP vs ? Are they all about the same, quality/price wise/performance? CP quoted me about 1500... i about choked... JE is about 970.00 These are Pontiac pistons....'67-'79 Flat tops...i havent heard back from Venolia or Ross, yet.... __________________ 1968 Bird/TRW 455/Home ported 13's, '70 Qjet,Holley Street Dominator manifold, Comp Solid FT, 10.817/122.30/1.440 Workin' on E/SA combo 3119 E/SA Last edited by brent flynn; 03-24-2013 at 11:51 AM.

03-24-2013, 12:42 PM	#2
Alan Roehrich VIP Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Murfreesboro TN Posts: 4,916 Likes: 997 Liked 1,046 Times in 276 Posts	Re: Stocker pistons... You'll do fine with JE, I use them in my Stock Eliminator engines, with Total Seal rings (I buy my oil rings direct from Speed Pro) and Trend wrist pins, with Kramm-Lox wire pin locks. My JE rep is Rick Leininger. I do buy from CP as well, they did my Super Stock pistons for the 396, they're good people, my rep there is Ed Urcis. H.M. Elliott coats all of my piston skirts, and my bearings, regardless of brand. By the way, before placing an order on pistons, speak with your ring supplier and get the exact groove sizes they want for their ring package. I have Keith at Total Seal give me the dimensions he wants, and copy my piston rep on the emails so everyone is on the same page. __________________ Alan Roehrich 212A G/S

03-24-2013, 12:54 PM	#3
brent flynn Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Middletown, IN Posts: 593 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Stocker pistons... Thanks for the info, Alan... much appreciated... __________________ 1968 Bird/TRW 455/Home ported 13's, '70 Qjet,Holley Street Dominator manifold, Comp Solid FT, 10.817/122.30/1.440 Workin' on E/SA combo 3119 E/SA

03-24-2013, 01:20 PM	#4
Jeff Lee VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Anthem, Arizona Posts: 2,766 Likes: 0 Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Stocker pistons... My take is that JE took TRW pistons and copied them with some design improvements. So if TRW got the valve notches in the right place, then your OK. Unfortunately that is not always true. CP came along and used factory OEM blueprints. CP found that TRW pistons were sometimes off. Being that P/V clearance is critical, that could be a big deal. And when CP started, they had the latest and greatest ring groove cutting fixtures. I do not know if JE has invested in the latest machinery for that operation but as you know, ring clearance is crucial to performance. The bottom line, and this is just my opinion, there is a reason why you are seeing a 50% price difference. Ask these questions when you call them back. You might also call Diamond or even Weisco. I have experience with Diamond but not with Weisco. __________________ Jeff Lee 7494 D/S '70 AMX

03-24-2013, 10:02 PM	#5
brent flynn Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Middletown, IN Posts: 593 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Stocker pistons... Thanks Jeff.... alot to learn, building a Stocker engine... some of you guys have been at it awhile... I turn 44, in a few months, and this is my 1st attempt. Gonna see what i can do, on a fairly tight budget... Hope to be at 2014 Indy points meet...i only live an hour from there! Shortblock goin to machine shop in a couple weeks... Tryin' to research pistons, dont wanna waste any money on the bottom end... __________________ 1968 Bird/TRW 455/Home ported 13's, '70 Qjet,Holley Street Dominator manifold, Comp Solid FT, 10.817/122.30/1.440 Workin' on E/SA combo 3119 E/SA

03-24-2013, 11:00 PM	#6
Dave Ribeiro VIP Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Williamsburg, Va.---USA Posts: 1,827 Likes: 1,612 Liked 56 Times in 27 Posts	Re: Stocker pistons... Brent, As you are finding out everything cost motor for Pontiac's ... They don't make that many & that drives up the price ... I would shop around for a used shortblock to start & go from there .. Good Luck with your project. __________________ Dave Ribeiro 1033 STK

03-29-2013, 02:40 PM	#7
SSDAD Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: USA Posts: 5 Likes: 2 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Stocker pistons... Call Darren @ Patterson Racing (316) 775-7771. Their knowledge of the latest and greatest on piston and ring combos is second to none and their pricing is competitive.