I've been thinkin'.....delayed a bit.

Bruce Fulper · 04-28-2007, 08:23 PM

This delay box in S/S deal, well, when the post first came up I wondered on here that NHRA doesn't bring this stuff up unless they're seeing it too much. So....I'm a wonderin', if'n EVERYONE is allowed a box, will we see a dramatic change in the winners circle attendees?

I'm playing the devils advocate here.....if we all have delay boxes...

You can't let your emotions control your feelings on the subject.

I did at first. "Ain't the good old days damnit." Well, it AIN'T the good old days. It's "I wanna win on Sunday days."

After talking with a few racers, and thinking about it more, what're you gonna do if your competitor is using stuff that you aren't? Lose.

Folks, I don't see no way going back. You can whine. But I don't see it changing. Too much sophistication.

I'm changing my vote. JIM SKELLY - vote me as a YES to delay boxes.

b.

I miss my tranny brake....

Jim Wahl · 04-28-2007, 08:31 PM

At the SportsNats this past weekend I got it from a rather high source that the current vote was approximatly 80% against and 20% for the box. Long and short of it....ain't gunna happen!

Jim Wahl
6 Time National record Holder
2239 BF/S
I miss Buster Couch also! 'cause Div.2 will always be "Buster's Rebels"

Adger Smith · 04-28-2007, 08:40 PM

It could have been brought up because Tech is tired of hunting for the hidden delay devices. When you have limited manpower wouldn't it be better spending their time looking at more technical issues? That would be my guess as to what promped Jim Skelly to ask for input.
My .02 is: even the spec button won't help. The request was worded wrong. The way I read it if you voted against the box you were for the spec button. did you guys catch that... ??

Adger Smith

Bruce Fulper · 04-28-2007, 08:46 PM

I didn't read it that way. I can't see NHRA putting their butt on the line issuing spec buttons. They woudln't want the liability.

I miss my tranny brake....

seb · 04-28-2007, 09:38 PM

Adger:

I talked to Len at Belle Rose. They want what we want.
The cat was out of the bag and they need a little help
putting it back.
If we vote for no delay boxes we will have no delay boxes.
If we vote for no adjustable buttons we will have that also.
What we have to make sure of is the solution is a good
solution not a bandaid.
The only button that needs to be allowed (personally I
think stock should be all foot brake with no 2-step for leaving
except sticks)
is an instant on/off button. No possibility of adjustment.

SEB

Bruce Noland · 04-28-2007, 10:01 PM

Edit:

The new hydraulic buttons that are now allowed in Stock are nothing more than delay devices. The NHRA high tech guy left the building some time ago and now they want to give up looking. Each year there is some new gizmo to deal with. And I'm not sure how these new gizmos keep finding their way into Super Stock and Stock. But it must stop!

castle5 · 04-28-2007, 10:24 PM

what about stick shift cars. i say no .. why dont we all go bracket racing then the playing field will be level.. thats what your saying right..level the field..

Bruce Fulper · 04-28-2007, 10:38 PM

Quote:

what about stick shift cars. i say no .. why dont we all go bracket racing then the playing field will be level.. thats what your saying right..level the field..

Yep. pretty much. With the exception of heads-up Class elims.

Look - dudes - (and dudettes)

if NHRA feels a few are using items that are not allowed, and they can't or won't police them properly, WHAT in the heck do you think is going to happen?

If it's true - the same people will be winning, and you won't. All I'm saying is when NHRA puts out something like this to me it's a wake up call.

Vote no and nothing changes. Level the playing field and you'll feel better. (I bet.) Whether you like the transition or not.

Again, if there's NO change then the people that posses the advantages won't be............

you.

I miss my tranny brake....

Billy Pires · 04-28-2007, 11:07 PM

total thread failure right here....

-A/FIA 1981-

Ed Fernandez · 04-28-2007, 11:30 PM

If you think someone has a box the rules are already in place to PROTEST THEM(Yeah I'm yelling).All you need is the balls to put up the money and have someone available who knows what he's doing to find it.I know in Div. 1 there are alot of guys who could sniff it out.But most of you are just a bunch of whinnrs and are content to bang on the keys instead.
When was the last time someone protested because of a box in S/SS??????????????????????????????

Ed F.
15 T/SA

04-28-2007, 08:23 PM	#1
Bruce Fulper Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: So. Cal. Posts: 651 Likes: 4 Liked 54 Times in 33 Posts	I've been thinkin'.....delayed a bit. This delay box in S/S deal, well, when the post first came up I wondered on here that NHRA doesn't bring this stuff up unless they're seeing it too much. So....I'm a wonderin', if'n EVERYONE is allowed a box, will we see a dramatic change in the winners circle attendees? I'm playing the devils advocate here.....if we all have delay boxes... You can't let your emotions control your feelings on the subject. I did at first. "Ain't the good old days damnit." Well, it AIN'T the good old days. It's "I wanna win on Sunday days." After talking with a few racers, and thinking about it more, what're you gonna do if your competitor is using stuff that you aren't? Lose. Folks, I don't see no way going back. You can whine. But I don't see it changing. Too much sophistication. I'm changing my vote. JIM SKELLY - vote me as a YES to delay boxes. b. I miss my tranny brake....

04-28-2007, 08:31 PM	#2
Jim Wahl Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Central Florida Posts: 5,842 Likes: 631 Liked 674 Times in 122 Posts	At the SportsNats this past weekend I got it from a rather high source that the current vote was approximatly 80% against and 20% for the box. Long and short of it....ain't gunna happen! Jim Wahl 6 Time National record Holder 2239 BF/S I miss Buster Couch also! 'cause Div.2 will always be "Buster's Rebels" __________________ Jim Wahl....NHRA #2239 S/SS - IHRA # 8 Stock, D2 Stock Champion (forever I guess) 2019 Baby Gators Stock Champion 2009 D2 National Open Stock Champion 1981 D2 West Palm Beach LDRS SS Runner Up Past President, Southern Stock / Super Stock Association.

04-28-2007, 08:40 PM	#3
Adger Smith VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Texarkana Ark/TX Posts: 2,363 Likes: 454 Liked 693 Times in 269 Posts	It could have been brought up because Tech is tired of hunting for the hidden delay devices. When you have limited manpower wouldn't it be better spending their time looking at more technical issues? That would be my guess as to what promped Jim Skelly to ask for input. My .02 is: even the spec button won't help. The request was worded wrong. The way I read it if you voted against the box you were for the spec button. did you guys catch that... ?? Adger Smith __________________ Adger Smith (Former SS)

04-28-2007, 10:01 PM	#6
Bruce Noland VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 1,855 Likes: 83 Liked 444 Times in 145 Posts	Edit: The new hydraulic buttons that are now allowed in Stock are nothing more than delay devices. The NHRA high tech guy left the building some time ago and now they want to give up looking. Each year there is some new gizmo to deal with. And I'm not sure how these new gizmos keep finding their way into Super Stock and Stock. But it must stop! __________________ Bruce Noland 1788 STK

04-28-2007, 11:07 PM	#9
Billy Pires Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Somerset, MA Posts: 99 Likes: 6 Liked 24 Times in 3 Posts	total thread failure right here.... -A/FIA 1981- __________________ Billy Pires 1414 STK, 1414 SS

04-28-2007, 08:46 PM	#4
Bruce Fulper Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: So. Cal. Posts: 651 Likes: 4 Liked 54 Times in 33 Posts	I didn't read it that way. I can't see NHRA putting their butt on the line issuing spec buttons. They woudln't want the liability. I miss my tranny brake....

04-28-2007, 09:38 PM	#5
seb Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Arkadelphia,Ar Posts: 32 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Adger: I talked to Len at Belle Rose. They want what we want. The cat was out of the bag and they need a little help putting it back. If we vote for no delay boxes we will have no delay boxes. If we vote for no adjustable buttons we will have that also. What we have to make sure of is the solution is a good solution not a bandaid. The only button that needs to be allowed (personally I think stock should be all foot brake with no 2-step for leaving except sticks) is an instant on/off button. No possibility of adjustment. SEB

04-28-2007, 10:24 PM	#7
castle5 Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: indiana Posts: 39 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	what about stick shift cars. i say no .. why dont we all go bracket racing then the playing field will be level.. thats what your saying right..level the field..

04-28-2007, 11:30 PM	#10
Ed Fernandez Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: NOO JOISEY nexta NOO YAWK Posts: 5,879 Likes: 38 Liked 100 Times in 45 Posts	If you think someone has a box the rules are already in place to PROTEST THEM(Yeah I'm yelling).All you need is the balls to put up the money and have someone available who knows what he's doing to find it.I know in Div. 1 there are alot of guys who could sniff it out.But most of you are just a bunch of whinnrs and are content to bang on the keys instead. When was the last time someone protested because of a box in S/SS?????????????????????????????? Ed F. 15 T/SA __________________ Former NHRA #1945 Former IHRA #1945 T/SA