3sp to 4sp manual

Grey Ghost · 11-30-2015, 12:04 PM

I would like to run a stick in an older stocker combination that was offered with an auto or 3sp manual only. We attended a S/SS event in september and several racers told me NHRA now allows an upgrade to a 4sp for the older cars. Is this true? Can you use a hydraulic throw out bearing also?

I have been out of racing for 20 yrs...things sure have changed!!

Sean Marconette · 11-30-2015, 05:35 PM

Unless it came with hydraulic, it is not allowed. With a performance clutch a mechanical linkage is best for consistant air gap settings.

For the trans, straight out of the rulebook, "OEM or NHRA accepted aftermarket transmissions having same number of forward speeds (O.D. gear not required) as original, and reverse, may be used."

This is where it is a grey area, as cars originally with power glides can now have 3 speed automatics, per the rulebook

For clarification on the trans contact your local tech director, as it is not black and white for a manual trans like it is with the auto in the rulebook.

Sean

Bunkster · 12-01-2015, 06:07 PM

I see that you are new here. Please allow me to offer a polite, gentle suggestion.

There is a historical vehicle that has been raced in NHRA and IHRA stock eliminator for decades called the “Gray Ghost” . It was, of all things, a Corvair built by Tom Gould.

Tom resides in this forum and is deeply respected for his bravery and intellect for racing a vehicle that most people didn’t have the courage or brains to race.

In deference and respect to Tom, you may want to change your username.

http://static.dragracecentral.com/st...re_12/da17.jpg

Ed Fernandez · 12-01-2015, 07:17 PM

Hey bunkster go back under the rock you came out from under.It's none of your business what name anyone here uses. Mr Gould doesn't have a copyright on the name of his car. The OP said he's been away from racing 20 years ago. He's no nubie.
Go over to Yellow Bullet if you want to rub it in peoples butts. You started it in the deep staging thread now you're doing it here.
Kenny if I'm wrong tell me so.

Mickey Whaley · 12-01-2015, 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

Hey bunkster go back under the rock you came out from under.It's none of your business what name anyone here uses. Mr Gould doesn't have a copyright on the name of his car. The OP said he's been away from racing 20 years ago. He's no nubie.
Go over to Yellow Bullet if you want to rub it in peoples butts. You started it in the deep staging thread now you're doing it here.
Kenny if I'm wrong tell me so.

Be nice ed

Ed Fernandez · 12-02-2015, 02:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mickey Whaley

Be nice ed

Mickey, it's hard not being nice when trolls come here and try to tell people what they should think and express themselves.
Y'all have a Merry Christmas Mickey.

Ed

Dwight Southerland · 12-02-2015, 08:50 AM

Noo Joysee says "y'all"? And not even SOUTH Noo Joysee!

Mickey Whaley · 12-02-2015, 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ed Fernandez

Mickey, it's hard not being nice when trolls come here and try to tell people what they should think and express themselves.
Y'all have a Merry Christmas Mickey.

Ed

Tell it like it is Ed i didnt know you knew what ya'll was

Adger Smith · 12-02-2015, 11:09 AM

Dwight,
Isn't a guy from "Noo Joysee" saying "Ya'll" an abomination to all us "Folk" in Arkansas?
This is the proper salutation:
Ya'll "DO" have a Merry Christmas

Robert Simpson · 12-02-2015, 11:32 AM

Yes you can replace the 3sp manual with a 4sp manual in stock along with SS. So if you have a 265, 6Cyl comet or 6Cyl Nova you can run a 4 speed. Also for PG optioned stockers and SS can run three speed autos. The above mentioned combo's were just examples. Hope this helps.

Robert

11-30-2015, 12:04 PM	#1
Grey Ghost Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: Iowa Posts: 209 Likes: 423 Liked 210 Times in 88 Posts	3sp to 4sp manual I would like to run a stick in an older stocker combination that was offered with an auto or 3sp manual only. We attended a S/SS event in september and several racers told me NHRA now allows an upgrade to a 4sp for the older cars. Is this true? Can you use a hydraulic throw out bearing also? I have been out of racing for 20 yrs...things sure have changed!!

11-30-2015, 05:35 PM	#2
Sean Marconette Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 958 Likes: 618 Liked 165 Times in 60 Posts	Re: 3sp to 4sp manual Unless it came with hydraulic, it is not allowed. With a performance clutch a mechanical linkage is best for consistant air gap settings. For the trans, straight out of the rulebook, "OEM or NHRA accepted aftermarket transmissions having same number of forward speeds (O.D. gear not required) as original, and reverse, may be used." This is where it is a grey area, as cars originally with power glides can now have 3 speed automatics, per the rulebook For clarification on the trans contact your local tech director, as it is not black and white for a manual trans like it is with the auto in the rulebook. Sean __________________ Sean Marconette 84 Mustang 5060 SS/N Last edited by Sean Marconette; 11-30-2015 at 05:39 PM.

12-01-2015, 06:07 PM	#3
Bunkster Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 307 Likes: 0 Liked 43 Times in 10 Posts	Re: 3sp to 4sp manual I see that you are new here. Please allow me to offer a polite, gentle suggestion. There is a historical vehicle that has been raced in NHRA and IHRA stock eliminator for decades called the “Gray Ghost” . It was, of all things, a Corvair built by Tom Gould. Tom resides in this forum and is deeply respected for his bravery and intellect for racing a vehicle that most people didn’t have the courage or brains to race. In deference and respect to Tom, you may want to change your username. http://static.dragracecentral.com/st...re_12/da17.jpg

12-01-2015, 07:17 PM	#4
Ed Fernandez Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: NOO JOISEY nexta NOO YAWK Posts: 5,879 Likes: 38 Liked 100 Times in 45 Posts	Re: 3sp to 4sp manual Hey bunkster go back under the rock you came out from under.It's none of your business what name anyone here uses. Mr Gould doesn't have a copyright on the name of his car. The OP said he's been away from racing 20 years ago. He's no nubie. Go over to Yellow Bullet if you want to rub it in peoples butts. You started it in the deep staging thread now you're doing it here. Kenny if I'm wrong tell me so. __________________ Former NHRA #1945 Former IHRA #1945 T/SA

12-02-2015, 08:50 AM	#7
Dwight Southerland VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Arkansas - In the middle of everything. Posts: 1,980 Likes: 52 Liked 724 Times in 177 Posts	Re: 3sp to 4sp manual Noo Joysee says "y'all"? And not even SOUTH Noo Joysee! __________________

12-02-2015, 11:09 AM	#9
Adger Smith VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Texarkana Ark/TX Posts: 2,348 Likes: 434 Liked 676 Times in 260 Posts	Re: 3sp to 4sp manual Dwight, Isn't a guy from "Noo Joysee" saying "Ya'll" an abomination to all us "Folk" in Arkansas? This is the proper salutation: Ya'll "DO" have a Merry Christmas __________________ Adger Smith (Former SS) Last edited by Adger Smith; 12-02-2015 at 11:10 AM. Reason: SP

12-02-2015, 11:32 AM	#10
Robert Simpson Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Jacksonville, Florida Posts: 803 Likes: 6 Liked 20 Times in 12 Posts	Re: 3sp to 4sp manual Yes you can replace the 3sp manual with a 4sp manual in stock along with SS. So if you have a 265, 6Cyl comet or 6Cyl Nova you can run a 4 speed. Also for PG optioned stockers and SS can run three speed autos. The above mentioned combo's were just examples. Hope this helps. Robert