1.50 Under Before Getting Horsepower? - Page 3

Clay Arnett · 09-02-2009, 03:35 PM

They can eliminate us from national events. I prefer they have more national opens that run class eliminations. If they do away with heads up races during the elminator then I would be done. The performance and technical challenge is what appeals to me about class racing not the dial in racing.

James Perrone · 09-02-2009, 03:42 PM

Don;t forget if you lower the index you get rid of the1000 ft DUMPERS
This is why you have heads up racing to make it more interesting..

JD Smith · 09-02-2009, 04:04 PM

I hope this is true, will make for real racing, the way it should be.

Paul Wong · 09-02-2009, 04:23 PM

There have always been soft combinations. New cars that were soft initially ( this list could go on for pages) There are always people with more money than others that are ready to spend it, Thats life. It still class racing. Thats why i'm bummed I sitting behind a desk and not at indy right now. I hope there are more of us left that live for class and heads up racing. We will be on borrowed time when thay kill heads up racing. Its pretty much all we have left to separate us from $3000 bracket cars.

Joe DeMarzo · 09-02-2009, 06:16 PM

AMEN Paul and James.

Bob Bender · 09-02-2009, 06:53 PM

Thanks ..............ED..............

bill dedman · 09-02-2009, 11:04 PM

The essence of drag racing...

The fact is, Class racing and the same-class matchups that occur (infrequently) in Stock and Super Stock Eliminator(s) is the only PURE drag racing left unless you want to include CIC racing in Comp, which admittedly, has no breakouts, but does have moveable handicaps (CIC induced.)

The heads up DRAG RACING that goes on under the two aforementioned situations is all that's left of
"drag racing" for the Sportsman racer.

ALL the rest is just Bracket racing.

Nothing wrong with Bracket racing (I have a Bracket car, myself), but don't confuse it with DRAG RACING.
It may LOOK like drag racing, and it may even sound like drag racing (minus an active throttle stop) but it's not....

Drag Racing got its start with 4 Stock classes, NO handicaps and no breakouts.... It was ALL heads-up racing.... no Christmas tree, just a flagman.

Would it have grown and prospered, and become the nationwide phenomenon that it became if it had had all the handicaps, breakouts and dial-ins that we have today, at the outset?

I doubt it; it was pure and simple and people could understand it. First car (of two that left together) to the finish line wins!!!

That was drag racing...

If you kill heads up runs, you have killed the essence of what made this sport great.

You can rationalize all you want about the perceived "damage" done by a system that includes heads-up/no breakout runs, but do away with that and you've gutted the soul of this sport.

My 2-cents...

Ed Wright · 09-03-2009, 08:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bob Bender

Hey ED, we need to take our slow cars and go home...........

I didn't say slow, I said slower. We are pretty much all slower than someone else. In SS, That would include all but Caro, our (Div 4) prenial #1 guy.

Jack McCarthy · 09-04-2009, 11:22 PM

did you guys miss the math ?
drop indexes .50 new trigger 1.00 = 1.50 under current index... only .10 more wiggle room

anyway as much as i have BEGGED for it i agree with the MONEY issue NHRA would be idiots to lower them now it would cut into thier MONEY and that is pretty much what they seem to be all about

jack

Ed Fernandez · 09-04-2009, 11:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jack McCarthy

did you guys miss the math ?
drop indexes .50 new trigger 1.00 = 1.50 under current index... only .10 more wiggle room

anyway as much as i have BEGGED for it i agree with the MONEY issue NHRA would be idiots to lower them now it would cut into thier MONEY and that is pretty much what they seem to be all about

jack

Jack,thanks for the vindication.Obviously us "lower class" drivers have the time to think going down the track.Even have time to eat a snack before looking back at 1,000'.
Bobby B.,thanks for what???????????????????????????

09-02-2009, 03:35 PM	#21
Clay Arnett Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Hartsville, IN Posts: 128 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: 1.50 Under Before Getting Horsepower? They can eliminate us from national events. I prefer they have more national opens that run class eliminations. If they do away with heads up races during the elminator then I would be done. The performance and technical challenge is what appeals to me about class racing not the dial in racing.

09-02-2009, 03:42 PM	#22
James Perrone VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: LONG ISLAND N.Y. Posts: 1,595 Likes: 2,929 Liked 1,606 Times in 376 Posts	Re: 1.50 Under Before Getting Horsepower? Don;t forget if you lower the index you get rid of the1000 ft DUMPERS This is why you have heads up racing to make it more interesting.. __________________ james perrone 1290 STK

09-02-2009, 04:04 PM	#23
JD Smith Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 20 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: 1.50 Under Before Getting Horsepower? I hope this is true, will make for real racing, the way it should be.

09-02-2009, 04:23 PM	#24
Paul Wong Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 367 Likes: 93 Liked 379 Times in 72 Posts	Re: 1.50 Under Before Getting Horsepower? There have always been soft combinations. New cars that were soft initially ( this list could go on for pages) There are always people with more money than others that are ready to spend it, Thats life. It still class racing. Thats why i'm bummed I sitting behind a desk and not at indy right now. I hope there are more of us left that live for class and heads up racing. We will be on borrowed time when thay kill heads up racing. Its pretty much all we have left to separate us from $3000 bracket cars.

09-02-2009, 06:16 PM	#25
Joe DeMarzo Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Mahopac, NY Posts: 666 Likes: 48 Liked 114 Times in 9 Posts	Re: 1.50 Under Before Getting Horsepower? AMEN Paul and James. __________________ Joe DeMarzo 1317 STK

09-02-2009, 06:53 PM	#26
Bob Bender VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Maryland Posts: 1,712 Likes: 1,400 Liked 372 Times in 80 Posts	Re: 1.50 Under Before Getting Horsepower? Thanks ..............ED.............. __________________ Bob Bender 144 O/SA 2010-2012 National Record Holder

09-02-2009, 11:04 PM	#27
bill dedman VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Conway, AR Posts: 1,739 Likes: 0 Liked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Re: 1.50 Under Before Getting Horsepower? The essence of drag racing... The fact is, Class racing and the same-class matchups that occur (infrequently) in Stock and Super Stock Eliminator(s) is the only PURE drag racing left unless you want to include CIC racing in Comp, which admittedly, has no breakouts, but does have moveable handicaps (CIC induced.) The heads up DRAG RACING that goes on under the two aforementioned situations is all that's left of "drag racing" for the Sportsman racer. ALL the rest is just Bracket racing. Nothing wrong with Bracket racing (I have a Bracket car, myself), but don't confuse it with DRAG RACING. It may LOOK like drag racing, and it may even sound like drag racing (minus an active throttle stop) but it's not.... Drag Racing got its start with 4 Stock classes, NO handicaps and no breakouts.... It was ALL heads-up racing.... no Christmas tree, just a flagman. Would it have grown and prospered, and become the nationwide phenomenon that it became if it had had all the handicaps, breakouts and dial-ins that we have today, at the outset? I doubt it; it was pure and simple and people could understand it. First car (of two that left together) to the finish line wins!!! That was drag racing... If you kill heads up runs, you have killed the essence of what made this sport great. You can rationalize all you want about the perceived "damage" done by a system that includes heads-up/no breakout runs, but do away with that and you've gutted the soul of this sport. My 2-cents... __________________ Bill Last edited by bill dedman; 09-03-2009 at 12:25 PM.

09-04-2009, 11:22 PM	#29
Jack McCarthy VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: lyndon ky. ... louisville area Posts: 1,284 Likes: 22 Liked 352 Times in 92 Posts	Re: 1.50 Under Before Getting Horsepower? did you guys miss the math ? drop indexes .50 new trigger 1.00 = 1.50 under current index... only .10 more wiggle room anyway as much as i have BEGGED for it i agree with the MONEY issue NHRA would be idiots to lower them now it would cut into thier MONEY and that is pretty much what they seem to be all about jack __________________ Jack McCarthy 3609 STK "the Captain"