Online Petition - Page 5

JEFF ESSMANN · 09-07-2007, 04:12 PM

as posted by eric
Or they could just say that because none of it happened at an NHRA facility, whatever the guy did in his own home is none of NHRA's business. Can you be fired from your job because you smoked a joint while on vacation?
eric you can be fired from your job if you smoke a joint at home at most jobs if you drop dirty your done
nhra has a rule abought drug felonies and convictions and also on alcohol as in you must have a valid drivers licence ther forth if you lose your licence for drunk driving you cant race so in some ways nhra has set rules that effect you even if you do them away from the track

SST1699 · 09-07-2007, 10:36 PM

Jeff,
I've never had anyone from NHRA ask me for my state drivers license, just my NHRA membership card and Competition License.

JEFF ESSMANN · 09-08-2007, 02:21 AM

eric
page233 section 10.4 credentials
each driver of a vehicle entered in any event conducted at an nhra member track
must have a valid state or goverment issued drivers license beyond a learners permit level
or nhra compitition license subject to inspection by officials at any time 2007 nhra rulebook

JEFF ESSMANN · 09-08-2007, 02:38 AM

eric
i,ve got to agree with you to i,ve never been asked for my drivers license either, i,ve never been drug or alcohol tested either, but i,m fairley shure if your falling down drunk in the staging lanes or stoned and they see it you will be tested and suspended. as if you were to lose your license and some body found out that didnt like you and told the right offical i,m shure that too would get you suspended at least that is my interpitation of the way the rule book reads

SST1699 · 09-08-2007, 07:31 AM

Jeff,
You're right: "If your falling down drunk in the staging lanes or stoned and they see it". My point is that if you're doing this at home, it's none of their business (same as it's not your job's business what you do at home - as long as you're not impaired when you come to work).
NHRA can't be expected to put a "high morals" clause in their rulebook to demand that everyone who holds an NHRA membership card does absolutely nothing to tarnish the NHRA image. They would have no way to police this (other than the few times something makes the newspaper and mentions the person being an NHRA racer).
Now back to my original point: NHRA could state that "anyone convicted of a felony is suspended", but I don't think they can just say that "the only crime worth suspending someone over is possession of child pornography". It's too broad.

Everybody have a great weekend!

Dave Steltz · 09-08-2007, 06:35 PM

Just a quick note about NHRA and the topic of alcohol/drug use...If you've ever participated at a national event, you know that you can be drug and alcohol tested at any time...
Now Eric said "what you do at home is your own business"...well that ain't exactly true...if you smoke dope at home thursday night and friday am when you show up to run at the national event you can be "served" with papers to go get tested...now they do give you 24 hours to show up for the test, but you must get tested and if you dont show up you will be suspended...and if you test positive yu can get suspended...
No different than some state and county jobs, etc...

So just the point of what you do outside of the track can come under the NHRA's scrutiny...

Just my .02...

Eric...when the heck are you gettin another car ????????

sc1153 · 09-13-2007, 06:18 PM

With nearly 4,800 views and only a handful of supporters (willing to show their name) I am not sure if NHRA would take this online petition seriously. We may need to take the next step and get signatures and addresses at a divisional race. I would be able to do this in Div1 and get 90% of people to sign, however I am concerned with other Divisions really not caring enough to do anything. I guess we will have to see if anything comes up.

BIZMANRACING · 09-14-2007, 09:40 AM

i think that over 4800 people looking at this in effect makes a statement. no i don't think having signatures on pI think that over 4800 people looking at this in effect makes a statement. No I don't think having signatures on paper is going to do anything in this case. The issue at hand is the law and the rights of Mr. "R" like it or not.

Mr. "R" has used his position, his friends and his money to get him into a position that he can get on with his life. Which he has? He now has a second shot at life. He will not wake up in jail for the next 10 years. And therefore, the punishment has been served with both a fine and community service and he is on probation. So therefore, in the eyes of the law he is free to do with his life as he wishes, within the law (register as a child sex offender).

Now I haven't been an active racer thanks to a little bad luck. But, I was at the division one race this weekend as a fan. With that being said sometimes I feel like I have no right to say anything on this site. But, after Chris?s last statement I feel like I should. I know Chris just had a baby (congrats by the way) so his feelings are probably the strongest of anybody. My baby is now 27 so I?m a little further away from understanding his feelings. But, here is my point. Use your strength as a family. Pit near each other, protect and watch out for each other. Which you do already, and as a rule I think you will be OK you do that now I?m sure. If you didn?t before you should now. There?s a point to bring to the nhra attension. For the safety of equipment and family be able to pit near one another to act as self-watchdogs.

If Mr "r" has the money and power to get out of his mess. How much cash may he have if he wants to go drag racing again. He? d sue the pants off of the nhra and probably win. So here's what I think will happen.

If he has a passion for the sport. He will stay away for a year or 2 or maybe more. But, if he loves it he will return. (Which is really easy I?ve lived it) he will get better between his ears. He will have paid the price himself. He is not stupid. And when he comes back, no you will not be happy about it, but it is his right. Its then up to you, if you want to shake his hand when you see him again.

Like it or not, his problem is being sick. Some might say that its not his fault, he was made that way. Bull****, but that is the way the world see's it. I don?t have small children any more, and I feel for those who have a strong feeling against his racing as Chris has stated. But, that is wasted energy. I wish I was wrong and if my signature on a piece of paper helps keep him off the track then I?ll sign it. Just be careful of how much energy you want to spend on this topic/event.

Carlos Mendes
S/street 1739

frank v · 09-14-2007, 07:06 PM

he sold everything, what makes you think he's coming back?

BIZMANRACING · 09-15-2007, 11:43 AM

actually i don't know if he will or not. for all i know his drag racing carrer is what turned him into this child offender. my assumsion was that "IF" he loved it enough, as i write this he is working on his return. when is up to him and his wallet. my car has sat in my garage with no engine in it for over a year. but, not a day goes by that i don't hink about comeing back. weather that is actively building, or buying, or installing "stuff" to get that car back. even going to this web site counts for me.

as for mr "R", life would be easier for the active racers and there families if he never returned, but respect him and understand him if he does. be ready to take steps to protect you and yours, always staying within the law. your no better in the eyes of the public if you break the law, though they may forgive you if you do.

09-07-2007, 04:12 PM	#41
JEFF ESSMANN Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 57 Likes: 8 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Online Petition as posted by eric Or they could just say that because none of it happened at an NHRA facility, whatever the guy did in his own home is none of NHRA's business. Can you be fired from your job because you smoked a joint while on vacation? eric you can be fired from your job if you smoke a joint at home at most jobs if you drop dirty your done nhra has a rule abought drug felonies and convictions and also on alcohol as in you must have a valid drivers licence ther forth if you lose your licence for drunk driving you cant race so in some ways nhra has set rules that effect you even if you do them away from the track __________________ Jeff Essmann 5780 ss/ja WEB SITE WITH MY RACECAR

09-07-2007, 10:36 PM	#42
SST1699 Junior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Berkshire County, MA Posts: 29 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Online Petition Jeff, I've never had anyone from NHRA ask me for my state drivers license, just my NHRA membership card and Competition License. __________________ Eric Saydlowski Pittsfield, MA SuperSt169@aol.com S/ST 1699 2003 NESSA Champion

09-08-2007, 02:21 AM	#43
JEFF ESSMANN Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 57 Likes: 8 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Online Petition eric page233 section 10.4 credentials each driver of a vehicle entered in any event conducted at an nhra member track must have a valid state or goverment issued drivers license beyond a learners permit level or nhra compitition license subject to inspection by officials at any time 2007 nhra rulebook __________________ Jeff Essmann 5780 ss/ja WEB SITE WITH MY RACECAR

09-08-2007, 02:38 AM	#44
JEFF ESSMANN Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 57 Likes: 8 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Online Petition eric i,ve got to agree with you to i,ve never been asked for my drivers license either, i,ve never been drug or alcohol tested either, but i,m fairley shure if your falling down drunk in the staging lanes or stoned and they see it you will be tested and suspended. as if you were to lose your license and some body found out that didnt like you and told the right offical i,m shure that too would get you suspended at least that is my interpitation of the way the rule book reads __________________ Jeff Essmann 5780 ss/ja WEB SITE WITH MY RACECAR

09-08-2007, 07:31 AM	#45
SST1699 Junior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Berkshire County, MA Posts: 29 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Online Petition Jeff, You're right: "If your falling down drunk in the staging lanes or stoned and they see it". My point is that if you're doing this at home, it's none of their business (same as it's not your job's business what you do at home - as long as you're not impaired when you come to work). NHRA can't be expected to put a "high morals" clause in their rulebook to demand that everyone who holds an NHRA membership card does absolutely nothing to tarnish the NHRA image. They would have no way to police this (other than the few times something makes the newspaper and mentions the person being an NHRA racer). Now back to my original point: NHRA could state that "anyone convicted of a felony is suspended", but I don't think they can just say that "the only crime worth suspending someone over is possession of child pornography". It's too broad. Everybody have a great weekend! __________________ Eric Saydlowski Pittsfield, MA SuperSt169@aol.com S/ST 1699 2003 NESSA Champion

09-08-2007, 06:35 PM	#46
Dave Steltz Member Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 323 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Online Petition Just a quick note about NHRA and the topic of alcohol/drug use...If you've ever participated at a national event, you know that you can be drug and alcohol tested at any time... Now Eric said "what you do at home is your own business"...well that ain't exactly true...if you smoke dope at home thursday night and friday am when you show up to run at the national event you can be "served" with papers to go get tested...now they do give you 24 hours to show up for the test, but you must get tested and if you dont show up you will be suspended...and if you test positive yu can get suspended... No different than some state and county jobs, etc... So just the point of what you do outside of the track can come under the NHRA's scrutiny... Just my .02... Eric...when the heck are you gettin another car ???????? __________________ Dave Steltz 135G SG/SP/SST BIAECH Racing Team

09-13-2007, 06:18 PM	#47
sc1153 Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Parlin, NJ Posts: 420 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Online Petition With nearly 4,800 views and only a handful of supporters (willing to show their name) I am not sure if NHRA would take this online petition seriously. We may need to take the next step and get signatures and addresses at a divisional race. I would be able to do this in Div1 and get 90% of people to sign, however I am concerned with other Divisions really not caring enough to do anything. I guess we will have to see if anything comes up. __________________ Chris DePascale S/ST 1531 & S/C 1153....Addicted Racing Jad153@aol.com

09-14-2007, 09:40 AM	#48
BIZMANRACING Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: east brunswick, new jersey Posts: 62 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Online Petition i think that over 4800 people looking at this in effect makes a statement. no i don't think having signatures on pI think that over 4800 people looking at this in effect makes a statement. No I don't think having signatures on paper is going to do anything in this case. The issue at hand is the law and the rights of Mr. "R" like it or not. Mr. "R" has used his position, his friends and his money to get him into a position that he can get on with his life. Which he has? He now has a second shot at life. He will not wake up in jail for the next 10 years. And therefore, the punishment has been served with both a fine and community service and he is on probation. So therefore, in the eyes of the law he is free to do with his life as he wishes, within the law (register as a child sex offender). Now I haven't been an active racer thanks to a little bad luck. But, I was at the division one race this weekend as a fan. With that being said sometimes I feel like I have no right to say anything on this site. But, after Chris?s last statement I feel like I should. I know Chris just had a baby (congrats by the way) so his feelings are probably the strongest of anybody. My baby is now 27 so I?m a little further away from understanding his feelings. But, here is my point. Use your strength as a family. Pit near each other, protect and watch out for each other. Which you do already, and as a rule I think you will be OK you do that now I?m sure. If you didn?t before you should now. There?s a point to bring to the nhra attension. For the safety of equipment and family be able to pit near one another to act as self-watchdogs. If Mr "r" has the money and power to get out of his mess. How much cash may he have if he wants to go drag racing again. He? d sue the pants off of the nhra and probably win. So here's what I think will happen. If he has a passion for the sport. He will stay away for a year or 2 or maybe more. But, if he loves it he will return. (Which is really easy I?ve lived it) he will get better between his ears. He will have paid the price himself. He is not stupid. And when he comes back, no you will not be happy about it, but it is his right. Its then up to you, if you want to shake his hand when you see him again. Like it or not, his problem is being sick. Some might say that its not his fault, he was made that way. Bull****, but that is the way the world see's it. I don?t have small children any more, and I feel for those who have a strong feeling against his racing as Chris has stated. But, that is wasted energy. I wish I was wrong and if my signature on a piece of paper helps keep him off the track then I?ll sign it. Just be careful of how much energy you want to spend on this topic/event. Carlos Mendes S/street 1739

09-14-2007, 07:06 PM	#49
frank v Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: ny Posts: 286 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Online Petition he sold everything, what makes you think he's coming back?

09-15-2007, 11:43 AM	#50
BIZMANRACING Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: east brunswick, new jersey Posts: 62 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Online Petition actually i don't know if he will or not. for all i know his drag racing carrer is what turned him into this child offender. my assumsion was that "IF" he loved it enough, as i write this he is working on his return. when is up to him and his wallet. my car has sat in my garage with no engine in it for over a year. but, not a day goes by that i don't hink about comeing back. weather that is actively building, or buying, or installing "stuff" to get that car back. even going to this web site counts for me. as for mr "R", life would be easier for the active racers and there families if he never returned, but respect him and understand him if he does. be ready to take steps to protect you and yours, always staying within the law. your no better in the eyes of the public if you break the law, though they may forgive you if you do.