Crate Motor Class

[Dan Fahey]

Originally Posted by HR9121

Good luck with that but if you're serious about racing NHRA I would be spending some money to find some speed. It doesn't appear that you're that far away from running the index now so I wouldn't think it would take alot.

Well running 13 ohs most days, high 12's cool days.
K/SA is a 12.65 minimum based on what my car would easily weigh.
Would need a Roll Bar, small gas tank.
Have an 8.5 inch rear...would need to upgrade to a MW or Moser 12 bolt.

Jeff Warren built a good engine but would need better rods.
Then there is the need for new cam, springs, valves.
Because the PCM is limited to 7000rpm that would need replacing.

Using a 4L60E with a Locking YANK converter.
New cam would need more converter.
That would mean a rebuild and a new converter.
Then would need some chassis reinforcement to prevent breaking suspension supports.

Best numbers is a $15,000 investment.
Then would have to buy the expensive gasoline to meet NHRA rules.

What I hate the most is putting in a Roll Bar..
Like the fact I can get in and out of my car with out contortions.
At home can put my street tires on and take it for a drive.
Car has run a 12.68 on a cold day.

All those mods would get the car running low to mid 12s.
Maybe high 11's on a cold day.

Still have my 1969 Impala going through a full restoration.
It was a M/SA car that can now run K/SA.
That will take another year or so to finish.
But the Budd Rowe engine would need upgrading.
Finishing that car will be another $15,000.00
Selling it would help fund the 95 SS.

I am having fun in Pure Stock..
Can put back on the street with AC and the comforts the car came with.
Owned it from day one..

I agree NHRA does not need more classes.
My argument my car "as is" would best compete as NHRA R/SA.
Only have to add a few pages in the Rule Book.
Not asking for the moon !
Just want to race...!!

D

[Mark Yacavone]

Originally Posted by Dan Fahey

If it was just full Stock K, L or M...

If NHRA adopted PS would fall under R.
My car fits all the other Stocker requirements.
So that is what I am pressing them for.

D

So, you're asking for Pure rules, but to be put into real Stock, where YOU think it should be?
Oh boy..
Where's Perrone when we need him? LOL

[Jason McGinley 3383]

Originally Posted by James Perrone

Tune up your combo and driving?
Really Frank?
Your saying my cars are slow. And I can’t drive
So your a retired wind bag Now go dial up Kenny. Cause I’m picking on you
Believe it or not Frank and Dan mr Pure stock
I get more compliments at very race a I attend about my point of views on Class racer
But yet not one of you keyboard beaters ever show your face at an Nhra race
Frank unlike you dummies I work on my cars ALL THE TIME. AND RACE A CARE
BECAUSE YOU NON RACERS AFFECT US RACERS.
I will continue to pick at your stupidity and opinions Next

Well said James! The truth hurts alot of times and some people just cant handle it or accept it!!

[James Perrone]

Dan. Would like nhra to make a class called pure stock
Nhra has that class it’s called bracket racing you no show up with any car that passes tech
You are the main reasons Ihra folded.
You didn’t support your ihra by racing pure stock so they folded
Why is it that money to build a car is the reason you say nhra sucks?
You have a excuse every time someone points out your lack of knowledge
About class racing. Nhra will be fine without crate motors and pure stock
Keep replying to real racers with your all about what nhra should do to appease you
How many times a year do you race. ? Please reply with your excuse why you didn’t support ihra. That means paying at the gate

[jmcarter]

The tribal wisdom of the Dakota Indians says when you discover you’re riding a dead horse, the best strategy is to dismount.

[Rory McNeil]

Originally Posted by Dan Fahey

Well running 13 ohs most days, high 12's cool days.
K/SA is a 12.65 minimum based on what my car would easily weigh.
Would need a Roll Bar, small gas tank.
Have an 8.5 inch rear...would need to upgrade to a MW or Moser 12 bolt.

Jeff Warren built a good engine but would need better rods.
Then there is the need for new cam, springs, valves.
Because the PCM is limited to 7000rpm that would need replacing.

Using a 4L60E with a Locking YANK converter.
New cam would need more converter.
That would mean a rebuild and a new converter.
Then would need some chassis reinforcement to prevent breaking suspension supports.

Best numbers is a $15,000 investment.
Then would have to buy the expensive gasoline to meet NHRA rules.

What I hate the most is putting in a Roll Bar..
Like the fact I can get in and out of my car with out contortions.
At home can put my street tires on and take it for a drive.
Car has run a 12.68 on a cold day.

All those mods would get the car running low to mid 12s.
Maybe high 11's on a cold day.

Still have my 1969 Impala going through a full restoration.
It was a M/SA car that can now run K/SA.
That will take another year or so to finish.
But the Budd Rowe engine would need upgrading.
Finishing that car will be another $15,000.00
Selling it would help fund the 95 SS.

I am having fun in Pure Stock..
Can put back on the street with AC and the comforts the car came with.
Owned it from day one..

I agree NHRA does not need more classes.
My argument my car "as is" would best compete as NHRA R/SA.
Only have to add a few pages in the Rule Book.
Not asking for the moon !
Just want to race...!!

D

"Not asking for the moon!" Oh really!
You only want NHRA (which already has thousands of Stock Eliminator racers with cars built following the NHRA Cassification Guide and Rule Book), to change their long standing class structure, just so you can play in the NHRA "playground", but make up the classes and rules as YOU see fit! I am pretty sure that at least 99% of real NHRA Stockers don`t throw on a set of street tires and cruise to the local Burger Doodle hangout, they are RACE cars, that compete in a RACE class! I didn`t really like having to install a roll bar in my M/S Mustang either, but Stock rules required it, despite the fact that my car was never close to quick enough to need a bar as a bracket car.
You want to race, with no roll bar, without being fast enough to run the index, without spending some money to accomplish those things, sounds like Sportsman Bracket is perfect for you! But then, you also were not going to run NHRA anyhow, you had "other options", so why all the whining anyhow?

[Ed Wright]

Originally Posted by Dan Fahey

Thanks for validating what I said Ed !
It was Pure Stock ever before it was Stock.
After 1973 the Blueprinted cams were reintroduced and has not stopped morphing.....
Basically Stock today is SS Lite !!
More complex and new rules implemented to keep the cars safe.

IHRA is not dying and will survive because enough us want it to.
I am not a complaining sideliner.
Doing my bit being a Contingency Sponsor.

Hope that someone on the Crate Motor side may do the same.
Create a buzz and start a movement !

Pure Stock LIVES !!
and
So will Crate Motor !!

D

Try reading that again, Dan. We had Stock way before I started in 1962. No Pure Stock.
NHRA tried Pure Stock many years later. Pure Stock did not "morph" into anything. Very small fields. Nearly zero interest. Kinda like IHRA. I wondered how long IHRA would survive when I tried running with them about ten years ago. Never saw car counts that low anywhere before, except at AHRA races when it was dying. Was not hard to see where it was headed. Single digit Super Stock fields, almost no purse. Not hard to see.

And, not everybody running NHRA writes big checks for engines, or have 5K or 6K transmissions.

[Frank Castros]

Originally Posted by James Perrone

Tune up your combo and driving?
Really Frank?
Your saying my cars are slow. And I can’t drive
So your a retired wind bag Now go dial up Kenny. Cause I’m picking on you
Believe it or not Frank and Dan mr Pure stock
I get more compliments at very race a I attend about my point of views on Class racer
But yet not one of you keyboard beaters ever show your face at an Nhra race
Frank unlike you dummies I work on my cars ALL THE TIME. AND RACE A CARE
BECAUSE YOU NON RACERS AFFECT US RACERS.
I will continue to pick at your stupidity and opinions Next

James,
As usual you miss the point and disrespect the opinion of others. If I still lived in the Land of NED I would certainly visit your pit area, discuss this like a man and wouldn't need Kenny's mediation. I never stated your cars are slow or your driving sucks, but if I where still racing I'd be in the garage outworking you on my stuff, not in front of my keyboard bloviating like you.
Warmest regards,
Frank

[Jason McGinley 3383]

Originally Posted by Dan Fahey

IHRA F/PS
Performance wise R/SA !
So easy to do!!
Allow my PS to run as a R/SA car.

D

I never thought about this idea! Pick your class based on et! So lets see here my slow C/SA at 10.80....I want to be an H/SA. Sounds great to me! I might and I stress MIGHT be able to win class at the U.S. Nationals. LOL

[HR9121]

Originally Posted by Jason McGinley 3383

I never thought about this idea! Pick your class based on et! So lets see here my slow C/SA at 10.80....I want to be an H/SA. Sounds great to me! I might and I stress MIGHT be able to win class at the U.S. Nationals. LOL

Possibly if Butcher or Marshall are not in H lol!