Boss Mustang stocker

[Mike Taylor 3601]

Originally Posted by rawhide

The current Windsor Boss 351 blocks are available in both 9.2" and 9.5" decks. They also have the Cleveland main size.
Roland

I thought we were talking about using production windsor in place of Cleveland,sorry.

Mike taylor 3601

[Bill Diehl]

The Track Boss 351C block that is approved for NHRA Stock/SS is 9.2 deck 2.75 mains, splayed caps and 1 piece rear seal , Siamese bores and updated priority main oiling

They also will be available with optional 302 mains, all bulkheads on all blocks are solid (XE design) all blocks have a provision (material added) for a left hand GM starter (drivers side) all blocks have enough material to bore the cam tunnel to 60mm and, as of now the patterns will be updated for offset or non standard lifter bore locations.

Non standard deck heights will be added at a later date.

[FireSale]

Originally Posted by Bill Diehl

The Track Boss 351C block that is approved for NHRA Stock/SS is 9.2 deck 2.75 mains, splayed caps and 1 piece rear seal , Siamese bores and updated priority main oiling

They also will be available with optional 302 mains, all bulkheads on all blocks are solid (XE design) all blocks have a provision (material added) for a left hand GM starter (drivers side) all blocks have enough material to bore the cam tunnel to 60mm and, as of now the patterns will be updated for offset or non standard lifter bore locations.

Non standard deck heights will be added at a later date.

That photo qualifies as Ford Porn...

EDIT: Info on the creation of this block:
http://351c.net/board/index.php?/top...eveland-block/
The links are interesting.

The index link:
http://351c.net/board/index.php?/forum/126-new-topics/

Dale

[goinbroke2]

Originally Posted by FireSale

The Windsor engines were built from 1961to 2000 and the Cleveland family from 1970 to 1982. Both families had 351 cid engines. The Cleveland got the good cylinder heads and the Windsor got the stronger block. Some folks have reworked the water passages to fit Cleveland heads on Windsor blocks but NHRA says NO! That's why these guys are so interested in opening their wallets for aftermarket approved 351C blocks.

The currently available Ford Racing BOSS 351 is a Windsor. You could run it in SuperStock but not Stock.

Dale

OK, I gotta ask...as far as I know the Cleveland stopped production in 74 and after that it was the 351 modified which is WAY taller than a C and has longer rods etc.(same block as a 400) I looked up a 77 351M in the guide and as replacement rods it has 351C rod, 5.78" made by crower??
Now, look up 77 400 and it shows rod length as 6.58". The 351M and 400 both have 6.58" rods and the 351C has 5.78" rods. So, either the guide is messed up or 351C have been produced from 70-82 but I've never seen a 75-82 351C for some reason??

Who has ever seen a short deck height 351C, the same as a 70-74 351C in anything newer than a 75 car??

EDIT: Oh, and firesale, you're correct on the poor oiling system, only cure was to block off the passages to the cam and oil it externally from the sending unit "T" down to the cam from up top. Took the bottom end out of countless amount of clevelands until another ford guy showed me the trick.

[FireSale]

Originally Posted by goinbroke2

OK, I gotta ask...as far as I know the Cleveland stopped production in 74 and after that it was the 351 modified which is WAY taller than a C and has longer rods etc.(same block as a 400) I looked up a 77 351M in the guide and as replacement rods it has 351C rod, 5.78" made by crower??
Now, look up 77 400 and it shows rod length as 6.58". The 351M and 400 both have 6.58" rods and the 351C has 5.78" rods. So, either the guide is messed up or 351C have been produced from 70-82 but I've never seen a 75-82 351C for some reason??

Who has ever seen a short deck height 351C, the same as a 70-74 351C in anything newer than a 75 car??

EDIT: Oh, and firesale, you're correct on the poor oiling system, only cure was to block off the passages to the cam and oil it externally from the sending unit "T" down to the cam from up top. Took the bottom end out of countless amount of clevelands until another ford guy showed me the trick.

For once, the guide is correct on the rod lengths. The 351M had a de-stroked crank and pistons with a taller compression height to bring the cid down to 351. It was built until 1982 and was Ford's last pushrod production engine.

According to the guide the 1970 BOSS 302 had 5.090 rods, Same as the regular 302. It's not perfect.

Disclaimer: I'm no expert, just a good researcher.

This is Bill's build thread. I'm going to leave it to him as the owner. I'm talking too much...

Dale

[V M Kauffman]

I noticed that several years but it is wrong! All Boss 302 used the 5.15 rod which is actually the 289hp Rod the 5.090 was used in all 302 production engines.
V

Originally Posted by FireSale

For once, the guide is correct on the rod lengths. The 351M had a de-stroked crank and pistons with a taller compression height to bring the cid down to 351. It was built until 1982 and was Ford's last pushrod production engine.

According to the guide the 1970 BOSS 302 had 5.090 rods, Same as the regular 302. It's not perfect.

Disclaimer: I'm no expert, just a good researcher.

This is Bill's build thread. I'm going to leave it to him as the owner. I'm talking too much...

Dale

[hutt1]

That's very neat Bill. should be a strong piece
Scott

[Bill Diehl]

Originally Posted by goinbroke2

EDIT: Oh, and firesale, you're correct on the poor oiling system, only cure was to block off the passages to the cam and oil it externally from the sending unit "T" down to the cam from up top. Took the bottom end out of countless amount of clevelands until another ford guy showed me the trick.

In stock you are not allowed external oiling lines, so on the old blocks you have to sleeve the lifter bores and feed the lifters with an .050 to .060 hole. (see post #9 of this thread)

The new block has addressed this with priority main oiling

Guys, you can add, ask or comment on anything you want..no worries I am here to help

[goinbroke2]

Originally Posted by FireSale

For once, the guide is correct on the rod lengths. The 351M had a de-stroked crank and pistons with a taller compression height to bring the cid down to 351. It was built until 1982 and was Ford's last pushrod production engine.

According to the guide the 1970 BOSS 302 had 5.090 rods, Same as the regular 302. It's not perfect.

Disclaimer: I'm no expert, just a good researcher.

This is Bill's build thread. I'm going to leave it to him as the owner. I'm talking too much...

Dale

Actually my point is that the guide is wrong. The 351C has a 5.78 rod length, the 351M and 400 both have 6.58" rods.
Deck height on a 351C is 9.206, the 351M and 400 are 10.297"
To put it bluntly, you cannot use 351C rods in a 351M.
Pull the crank and pistons out of a 400 and put in 351M crank and pistons and you now have a 351M, everything is the same except crank and pistons.

So, why has this never been picked up? I'll assume it's because nobody has ran a 351M in anything. Although I do remember a mid 70's green wagon but I'm sure it was running a 400. (jolly green giant maybe?) Regardless there's no replacement rod for the 400 (or 351M)

[Bill Diehl]

There is also a 10.300 block on the drawing board. Tim builds a lot of 400 based combos (not in HHRA) and that is his pet project, ultimately the tall deck will be added