HP Reduction Request - Page 2

David Lee · 03-06-2017, 02:48 PM

Anything to reduce cost and bring new blood into class racing, I welcome, what can i do to help this ball rolling forward

Daran Summerton · 03-06-2017, 03:12 PM

The quota is full with 4 grade points. They want less stockers not more. Top dragster is much more fan appealing. Just watch the stands empty when they call Stock.

Ed Wright · 03-06-2017, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

Doesn't fall within the guidelines of this thread.

Let's try to keep this thread .."on topic"

Bless your heart.

Dave Noll · 03-06-2017, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Nmbr1GMfan

Question, who are these new racers? New to the sport or attracted from the bracket side or elsewhere?

Me, for 1

Mark Yacavone · 03-06-2017, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Daran Summerton

The quota is full with 4 grade points. They want less stockers not more. Top dragster is much more fan appealing. Just watch the stands empty when they call Stock.

Daran, There are more independent S/SS events all the time . They still use the NHRA specs and horsepowers.
The guys are still going to be members and comp numbers users, in most cases.

That is, unless they don't care about memberships anymore either.
Are they relishing in de-evolution then? Who knows?

Maybe Devo was right. LOL

Nmbr1GMfan · 03-06-2017, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Dwight Southerland

Probably a combination of all those areas and more. It would be hard to gauge how many people are in the shadows and would participate if it were made easier and less expensive.

Honestly, from the perspective of someone on the outside looking in, Most current racers in the bracket classes don't understand class racing AT ALL. I was surprised when I asked questions about S/SS how many racers couldn't tell me the first thing about them. Now the people that do run the class, well they aren't talking either because they aren't giving away any secrets. Case in point, I have a 2005 GTO I could run as an 04 and probably be moderately competitive, now there isn't many of these out there but first on the agenda would be a solid axle swap, when I contacted people involved with the current cars in the class I got vague answers and a "no pictures" reply. Now I get it for sure, but it sure makes me think a S/G car might be looking good at this point. Also... and this is a big one, completely take away the cost of the car and look at the cost to get there, race, then get home plus the time off work, let alone the countless hours to hone the combo, I can easily see how these classes would be unobtainable to most.

Nmbr1GMfan · 03-06-2017, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave Noll

Me, for 1

Did you come from another class Dave or did you jump right in the stock pool?

GUMP · 03-06-2017, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Nmbr1GMfan

Case in point, I have a 2005 GTO I could run as an 04 and probably be moderately competitive, now there isn't many of these out there but first on the agenda would be a solid axle swap, when I contacted people involved with the current cars in the class I got vague answers and a "no pictures" reply.

I have a few photos that I will gladly share. PM me an email address.

Nmbr1GMfan · 03-06-2017, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by GUMP

I have a few photos that I will gladly share. PM me an email address.

Done. Thanks so much.

oldskool · 03-06-2017, 05:57 PM

This sounds like a great idea to me.

I've wondered why a lot of 2-barrel BOP engines are not raced. When I look up the specs, it appears that some of these 2-barrel engines are only rated maybe 40hp less than a very similar engine which can use an 800cfm Q-jet.

So, that brings up a question which should be in line with this thread. For most GM carb engines, 350 cubes & bigger, aprox how much less power is possible when only a 2-barrel is allowed ?

It appears to me that a 2-barrel would be the limiting factor, whereas an 800 Q-jet would not pose a limit at all, since there are lots of 9 & 10 sec cars, using 750 & 800 Q-jets.

So, considering this, what would be a good number to begin with, for most GM BOP 2-bl engines, that are not being raced ? Or, to put it another way, how much less should the initial factor be, as compared to a very similar 4-barrel engine ?

Since I'm a Pontiac guy, I'll just use a '76 Pontiac 350 as an example. I just looked it up on the Class Racer Info site. The 2-barrel version is factored at 220hp. The 4-barrel version is factored at 260hp. I've seen the 4-bl version in a competitive car. Have never seen the 2-bl version. So, aprox how low would the factor have to be, to make the 2-bl version competitive, or at least run a safe amount under the index ? I'm assuming a properly built & tuned car.

http://www.classracerinfo.com/Engine...3&MAKE=Pontiac

http://www.classracerinfo.com/Engine...4&MAKE=Pontiac

If this post is out of order for this thread, please delete it.

Thanks !

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David Lee VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 1,095 Likes: 401 Liked 246 Times in 99 Posts	Re: HP Reduction Request Anything to reduce cost and bring new blood into class racing, I welcome, what can i do to help this ball rolling forward

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Daran Summerton Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Las Vegas nv Posts: 598 Likes: 18 Liked 65 Times in 36 Posts	Re: HP Reduction Request The quota is full with 4 grade points. They want less stockers not more. Top dragster is much more fan appealing. Just watch the stands empty when they call Stock. __________________ 72 cutlass

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oldskool VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: The Land of Bayous, Boudin & Crawfish Posts: 1,668 Likes: 223 Liked 750 Times in 361 Posts	Re: HP Reduction Request This sounds like a great idea to me. I've wondered why a lot of 2-barrel BOP engines are not raced. When I look up the specs, it appears that some of these 2-barrel engines are only rated maybe 40hp less than a very similar engine which can use an 800cfm Q-jet. So, that brings up a question which should be in line with this thread. For most GM carb engines, 350 cubes & bigger, aprox how much less power is possible when only a 2-barrel is allowed ? It appears to me that a 2-barrel would be the limiting factor, whereas an 800 Q-jet would not pose a limit at all, since there are lots of 9 & 10 sec cars, using 750 & 800 Q-jets. So, considering this, what would be a good number to begin with, for most GM BOP 2-bl engines, that are not being raced ? Or, to put it another way, how much less should the initial factor be, as compared to a very similar 4-barrel engine ? Since I'm a Pontiac guy, I'll just use a '76 Pontiac 350 as an example. I just looked it up on the Class Racer Info site. The 2-barrel version is factored at 220hp. The 4-barrel version is factored at 260hp. I've seen the 4-bl version in a competitive car. Have never seen the 2-bl version. So, aprox how low would the factor have to be, to make the 2-bl version competitive, or at least run a safe amount under the index ? I'm assuming a properly built & tuned car. http://www.classracerinfo.com/Engine...3&MAKE=Pontiac http://www.classracerinfo.com/Engine...4&MAKE=Pontiac If this post is out of order for this thread, please delete it. Thanks ! Last edited by oldskool; 03-06-2017 at 06:02 PM.