Vegas LODRS

D7D · 04-04-2007, 06:49 PM

I've had a heck of a time getting the schedule for this event ready. I would like to know the thoughts of the STK/SS crowd on running once Friday morning, and then twice on Saturday morning, with all eliminations on Sunday.

Looks like SST and MC would also be in the same boat.

Please let me know your thoughts (those of you that will be there) as I would like to post something to the division website by tomorrow afternoon.

Thanks,
Mike

Mark Tallent · 04-04-2007, 07:37 PM

I assume that this is Mike Rice? If so why not 2 runs Saturday then Elims on Sunday. Or how about limiting the field to catagories that compete in the LODRS only and that are eligibile to compete for national points. Or we could move to division 6 where you get 3 or 4 qualifying runs at a points meet, Think about it we'll get less runs than a "National Event" and be there almost as long. I've been there before and it always turns out that the 2nd run Saturday turns into 1st round.

Mark Tallent
7724 Stk.
7724 SS

PS. With a schedule like that I won't be there so maybe my opinion doesn't count?

RULER · 04-04-2007, 11:05 PM

D7D, That sounds like a very good idea, we all know you have alot of cars to get down the track, so the idea of one run on friday for stock and super/stock and two runs on saturday would mean they could use the rest of the day to do something else as long as the schedule isnt changed after the last run for that day. Nobody wants to return to the track to find out there class ran when they were gone. Please post your final schedule, Thanks.

Scott Loge · 04-05-2007, 12:18 AM

I would also say the 2 runs on Saturday is the way to go!! If you show up on Saturday as a stock or super stock contestant then you may miss the run. We are not pros and do need to work to support this sick habit. I have quit due to the time restraints and would like to come back, but i cannot afford or need to be gone 4 or 5 days at a time for a divisinal.

disclaimer 4 kids and wife, no sponsor.

Scott Loge

Bryan Broaddus · 04-05-2007, 01:08 AM

Mike,

First off, thanks for asking our opinion. You know you usually don't have to ask, but since you have here goes:

I would vote for two runs Friday morning. Stock, Super something, Superstock then repeat this and be done with these three classes for the day. Saturday do the same thing and again we are done. This would give you the rest of the day to run the other two Super somethings, Comp and Alcohol. As I understand it the Alcohol show is a nite time show so include the other extra classes between the Alcohol rounds.

RocketBlock · 04-05-2007, 01:20 AM

I believe Top Dragster & Top Sportsman had about 80 cars at D7-1. They do not run for points or championships. Why are they included in the program? I believe they took over two 1/2 hours to run at that event. I lost count. They take their time towing up, they burnout across the line and then they make tuning changes while they sit in front of the line trying to act just like T/F racers. Same story for Top Sportsman. The same 2.5 hour period would take care of 150+ stock and super stock cars. But then again, they have no tear down or post race inspections to contend with. It seems to us that are enhancements with race reductions and no time to run a race will get us booted right out the gate sooner than latter.
I would like to offer my advice. If you must run these T/S, T/D and MC at a D7 race, run until late at night, at least 8:00 or 9:00. There are few tracks in D7 with a curfew, definetly not Chandler or Vegas. NHRA is pulling in an extra 200+ cars at Chandler, they can afford the overtime.
Personally, I believe T/S, T/D and MC should be run at bracket programs as they are not point earning vehicles. Why has NHRA found the need for these at divisional races?
I have also heard a rumor NHRA will no longer offer altitude correction factors at tracks like Vegas and index will now be off sea level. What is the rationale behind that decision if this rumor is true? Is NHRA trying to make it impossible to set a national record in the high regions of the USA? Or is it because NHRA tech is overworked with these huge car counts?
I have to say I appreciate you coming on here and extending your hand out to us. So please do not take this as an attack, it's not. But I raced at D7-1 and that was the worst racing experience I've ever had in 20+ years of racing. And it was due to two factors - increased car count and track closing as soon as possible every night.
Your proposed schedule seems acceptable, as long as it does work out that way. But if NHRA and track crew insist on an early dinner, I predict it will not pan out as scheduled.
Please keep us informed. It will go a long way towards cooling the fire's out here. We do know you have a tough job, but put yourself in our shoes and we will try the same towards you.
Sorry I couldn't use my real name, can't afford tear down gaskets with $12 per gallon race fuel!

Bruce Fulper · 04-05-2007, 01:26 AM

Way to go Mike!

Proud of ya man.

Thanks for asking and I hope our boys and girls don't turn this post into a rant fest. If I was racing this meet I would certainly vote for the One/Friday - Two/Saturday idea.

eye-vill-be-bak......!

( aka 7421 Bruce Fulper)

"The less I race the crankier I get..."

Rod Greene · 04-05-2007, 04:01 PM

For those Stock, Super/Stock racers who may want to set a record it would be nice to have 2 on Friday so they could teardown and still get a hit on Saturday. Unless they could seal and tear on Friday and back up on Saturday?

A bad day racing is better than a good day at work except for Div 7. Real men shift for them selves. 06/07 G/S record holder

Tom P · 04-05-2007, 04:56 PM

I think three runs over two days should be the minimum scheduled. It's otherwise pretty hard to set records and breakage on the first pass can't always be fixed that quickly.

My only trip to a Vegas points meet as a spectator was an enjoyable but different experience. On the Friday i left the hotel in the dark and ate my drive-thru breakfast at 90mph or so and still managed to miss most of Stock. On Saturday i got up earlier , drove faster (rental car only did 110mph) and as i skidded into the pits the cars were lining the staging lanes... in the dark at 6:30 AM.

Super Stock was two classes later. Just Super Gas and Super Comp in between as i recall. I think that was around 1pm! I walked around the pits while they ran SG and about the start of SC i drove off out the gate and did the whole tour of Shelby's shop and watched a couple chassis dyno sessions of 900hp Subarus in the industrial park, ate lunch at the restaurant by the freeway , visited the huge gift shop across the street and when i got back there were still more Super Comp dragsters in the lanes than i'd ever seen at a Div 6 race!

Very considerate of Mike to ask.

Bruce Fulper · 04-05-2007, 05:51 PM

Guys!

The Director is asking for suggestions. We need RACERS giving suggestions. DAMN - sometimes I think some people need to borrow the mules 2 x 4 as an incentive to participate here.

Rod Greens idea is a great one. As a record hunter I can't believe it didn't dawn on me. Man...if I was wanting to set a record at this event I'd be begging Mike to have two hits on Friday.

hello, hello...is this thing on?

"The less I race the crankier I get..."

04-04-2007, 06:49 PM	#1
D7D Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Glendora (bottom floor) Posts: 11 Likes: 0 Liked 3 Times in 1 Post	Vegas LODRS I've had a heck of a time getting the schedule for this event ready. I would like to know the thoughts of the STK/SS crowd on running once Friday morning, and then twice on Saturday morning, with all eliminations on Sunday. Looks like SST and MC would also be in the same boat. Please let me know your thoughts (those of you that will be there) as I would like to post something to the division website by tomorrow afternoon. Thanks, Mike

04-04-2007, 07:37 PM	#2
Mark Tallent Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 41 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I assume that this is Mike Rice? If so why not 2 runs Saturday then Elims on Sunday. Or how about limiting the field to catagories that compete in the LODRS only and that are eligibile to compete for national points. Or we could move to division 6 where you get 3 or 4 qualifying runs at a points meet, Think about it we'll get less runs than a "National Event" and be there almost as long. I've been there before and it always turns out that the 2nd run Saturday turns into 1st round. Mark Tallent 7724 Stk. 7724 SS PS. With a schedule like that I won't be there so maybe my opinion doesn't count? __________________ Mark Tallent 7724 STK, SS

04-05-2007, 01:08 AM	#5
Bryan Broaddus Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 100 Likes: 1 Liked 18 Times in 3 Posts	Mike, First off, thanks for asking our opinion. You know you usually don't have to ask, but since you have here goes: I would vote for two runs Friday morning. Stock, Super something, Superstock then repeat this and be done with these three classes for the day. Saturday do the same thing and again we are done. This would give you the rest of the day to run the other two Super somethings, Comp and Alcohol. As I understand it the Alcohol show is a nite time show so include the other extra classes between the Alcohol rounds. __________________ Bryan Broaddus 7568 STK ,SS

04-05-2007, 04:01 PM	#8
Rod Greene Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: TN Posts: 517 Likes: 359 Liked 204 Times in 72 Posts	For those Stock, Super/Stock racers who may want to set a record it would be nice to have 2 on Friday so they could teardown and still get a hit on Saturday. Unless they could seal and tear on Friday and back up on Saturday? A bad day racing is better than a good day at work except for Div 7. Real men shift for them selves. 06/07 G/S record holder __________________ Rod Greene Real men shift for them selves. Slowly working on TA Challenger for D,E/S and a 72 Challenger for SS/K, L as if I don't have enough other projects.

04-04-2007, 11:05 PM	#3
RULER Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 219 Likes: 15 Liked 57 Times in 17 Posts	D7D, That sounds like a very good idea, we all know you have alot of cars to get down the track, so the idea of one run on friday for stock and super/stock and two runs on saturday would mean they could use the rest of the day to do something else as long as the schedule isnt changed after the last run for that day. Nobody wants to return to the track to find out there class ran when they were gone. Please post your final schedule, Thanks.

04-05-2007, 12:18 AM	#4
Scott Loge Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Livermore,Ca Posts: 331 Likes: 15 Liked 141 Times in 30 Posts	I would also say the 2 runs on Saturday is the way to go!! If you show up on Saturday as a stock or super stock contestant then you may miss the run. We are not pros and do need to work to support this sick habit. I have quit due to the time restraints and would like to come back, but i cannot afford or need to be gone 4 or 5 days at a time for a divisinal. disclaimer 4 kids and wife, no sponsor. Scott Loge

04-05-2007, 01:20 AM	#6
RocketBlock Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 57 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I believe Top Dragster & Top Sportsman had about 80 cars at D7-1. They do not run for points or championships. Why are they included in the program? I believe they took over two 1/2 hours to run at that event. I lost count. They take their time towing up, they burnout across the line and then they make tuning changes while they sit in front of the line trying to act just like T/F racers. Same story for Top Sportsman. The same 2.5 hour period would take care of 150+ stock and super stock cars. But then again, they have no tear down or post race inspections to contend with. It seems to us that are enhancements with race reductions and no time to run a race will get us booted right out the gate sooner than latter. I would like to offer my advice. If you must run these T/S, T/D and MC at a D7 race, run until late at night, at least 8:00 or 9:00. There are few tracks in D7 with a curfew, definetly not Chandler or Vegas. NHRA is pulling in an extra 200+ cars at Chandler, they can afford the overtime. Personally, I believe T/S, T/D and MC should be run at bracket programs as they are not point earning vehicles. Why has NHRA found the need for these at divisional races? I have also heard a rumor NHRA will no longer offer altitude correction factors at tracks like Vegas and index will now be off sea level. What is the rationale behind that decision if this rumor is true? Is NHRA trying to make it impossible to set a national record in the high regions of the USA? Or is it because NHRA tech is overworked with these huge car counts? I have to say I appreciate you coming on here and extending your hand out to us. So please do not take this as an attack, it's not. But I raced at D7-1 and that was the worst racing experience I've ever had in 20+ years of racing. And it was due to two factors - increased car count and track closing as soon as possible every night. Your proposed schedule seems acceptable, as long as it does work out that way. But if NHRA and track crew insist on an early dinner, I predict it will not pan out as scheduled. Please keep us informed. It will go a long way towards cooling the fire's out here. We do know you have a tough job, but put yourself in our shoes and we will try the same towards you. Sorry I couldn't use my real name, can't afford tear down gaskets with $12 per gallon race fuel!

04-05-2007, 01:26 AM	#7
Bruce Fulper Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: So. Cal. Posts: 651 Likes: 4 Liked 54 Times in 33 Posts	Way to go Mike! Proud of ya man. Thanks for asking and I hope our boys and girls don't turn this post into a rant fest. If I was racing this meet I would certainly vote for the One/Friday - Two/Saturday idea. eye-vill-be-bak......! ( aka 7421 Bruce Fulper) "The less I race the crankier I get..."

04-05-2007, 04:56 PM	#9
Tom P Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 699 Likes: 29 Liked 224 Times in 90 Posts	I think three runs over two days should be the minimum scheduled. It's otherwise pretty hard to set records and breakage on the first pass can't always be fixed that quickly. My only trip to a Vegas points meet as a spectator was an enjoyable but different experience. On the Friday i left the hotel in the dark and ate my drive-thru breakfast at 90mph or so and still managed to miss most of Stock. On Saturday i got up earlier , drove faster (rental car only did 110mph) and as i skidded into the pits the cars were lining the staging lanes... in the dark at 6:30 AM. Super Stock was two classes later. Just Super Gas and Super Comp in between as i recall. I think that was around 1pm! I walked around the pits while they ran SG and about the start of SC i drove off out the gate and did the whole tour of Shelby's shop and watched a couple chassis dyno sessions of 900hp Subarus in the industrial park, ate lunch at the restaurant by the freeway , visited the huge gift shop across the street and when i got back there were still more Super Comp dragsters in the lanes than i'd ever seen at a Div 6 race! Very considerate of Mike to ask.

04-05-2007, 05:51 PM	#10
Bruce Fulper Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: So. Cal. Posts: 651 Likes: 4 Liked 54 Times in 33 Posts	Guys! The Director is asking for suggestions. We need RACERS giving suggestions. DAMN - sometimes I think some people need to borrow the mules 2 x 4 as an incentive to participate here. Rod Greens idea is a great one. As a record hunter I can't believe it didn't dawn on me. Man...if I was wanting to set a record at this event I'd be begging Mike to have two hits on Friday. hello, hello...is this thing on? "The less I race the crankier I get..."