is something wrong with this picture

Mike Savelle · 12-03-2011, 06:42 PM

2010 Mustang ---- 67 Camaro

2.08/160 valves 194/150 valves
5.12/5.12 cam lift 3.90/410 cam lift
roller cam hyd. flat cam
1.62 rockers 1.50 rockers
56cc heads 62cc
fuel injected Qjet
not sure on pushrods ??
NHRA/ 295 hp NHRA/290 hp
both run E/SA

SSGN · 12-03-2011, 07:08 PM

Nope perfectly normal ,did you not click the NOS bottle factory installed on the Camaro???I saw them on paper LOL

Kevin

Maverick · 12-03-2011, 07:29 PM

I got a question about the ford cam lift. Is this on the pushrod side? Or is this a SOHC/DOHC? If it has pushrods, that means the theoretical valve lift would be .829 inches. Am I seeing some thing the wrong way. THAT IS A LOT OF VALVE LIFT TO ME.

eddie c · 12-03-2011, 08:27 PM

What is the difference in the cubic inches of the engines?
ed

Andrew Hill · 12-03-2011, 08:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eddie c

What is the difference in the cubic inches of the engines?
ed

2010 Mustang- 352
1967 Camaro- 350
You forgot the mustang's better heads, intake, and throttle body as well. It has the potential for 9 second runs.

eddie c · 12-03-2011, 09:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew Hill

2010 Mustang- 352
1967 Camaro- 350
You forgot the mustang's better heads, intake, and throttle body as well. It has the potential for 9 second runs.

No, I wasn't making light of the situation. I was un sure of the Fords
engine size. I thought it might have been a 4.7 liter motor. I have been out of competition for several years,but there were many similarities
between then and now. Unfortunately the small block Chevy has been
raced and developed over several years,so currently, the Chevy is much closer to its full potential then the Ford.If someone races this Ford
combination next season and gets everything right,hopefully NHRA
will re factor the motor.

Andrew Hill · 12-03-2011, 11:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eddie c

No, I wasn't making light of the situation. I was un sure of the Fords
engine size. I thought it might have been a 4.7 liter motor. I have been out of competition for several years,but there were many similarities
between then and now. Unfortunately the small block Chevy has been
raced and developed over several years,so currently, the Chevy is much closer to its full potential then the Ford.If someone races this Ford
combination next season and gets everything right,hopefully NHRA
will re factor the motor.

I meant the last part as an addition to the original post.

eddie c · 12-04-2011, 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew Hill

I meant the last part as an addition to the original post.

Even if those additional components that you mentioned were just equal to that of the Chevrolet motor, the Ford appears much more than +5 HP
above that of the Chevrolet. Did you ever think that this is NHRA's
way of getting potential new interest in the class and in different cars? For a new guy looking for a car to build in stock class,its a pretty easy choice to make(at this time) which car he should buy and run! ed

Ed Wright · 12-04-2011, 01:19 PM

Those specs aren't much more bogus in relation to the initial hp rating than the DPs.
In my business I never screwed my regular customers over to attract new ones.
In two or three years they may be within a couple of classes where they belong. Like many, but not all DPs. Best we can do is in a heads up is try to push them 1+ under. Even if it means pulling 100 lbs out to do it. Don't weigh round losers, do they? Other than 1st round of class. LOL

Tom Turner · 12-04-2011, 03:10 PM

Ed;
It's funny, Dallas (Glenn) and I were discussing this very subject yesterday at the shop. Many things came onto the table including the weight removal but the question I have is " does being found significantly light after a heads up race grounds for and extended NHRA vacation?" I told Dallas that with all the weight out and a 100 shot we still cant run with these guys but I really like the idea of becoming a more formidable chaser and letting the system do the rest, so long as that "vacation" isn't in the mix. Not sure what Dallas thought at the end of the day. He's a traditional young guy; wants to kick everybody's katukkas, kiss the girl, grab the little gold man (and the money) and go kick back with a hot dog and a good internet connection. I think he voted for all the weight out, the 100 shot and possibly a 383.

12-03-2011, 06:42 PM	#1
Mike Savelle Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Ontario Canada Posts: 358 Likes: 101 Liked 6 Times in 4 Posts	is something wrong with this picture 2010 Mustang ---- 67 Camaro 2.08/160 valves 194/150 valves 5.12/5.12 cam lift 3.90/410 cam lift roller cam hyd. flat cam 1.62 rockers 1.50 rockers 56cc heads 62cc fuel injected Qjet not sure on pushrods ?? NHRA/ 295 hp NHRA/290 hp both run E/SA Last edited by Mike Savelle; 12-04-2011 at 08:57 AM. Reason: addition

12-03-2011, 07:08 PM	#2
SSGN Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 625 Likes: 110 Liked 130 Times in 46 Posts	Re: is something wrong with this picture Nope perfectly normal ,did you not click the NOS bottle factory installed on the Camaro???I saw them on paper LOL Kevin

12-03-2011, 07:29 PM	#3
Maverick Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Posts: 291 Likes: 2 Liked 26 Times in 19 Posts	Re: is something wrong with this picture I got a question about the ford cam lift. Is this on the pushrod side? Or is this a SOHC/DOHC? If it has pushrods, that means the theoretical valve lift would be .829 inches. Am I seeing some thing the wrong way. THAT IS A LOT OF VALVE LIFT TO ME.

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eddie c Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Southeastern Pa. Posts: 53 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: is something wrong with this picture What is the difference in the cubic inches of the engines? ed

12-04-2011, 01:19 PM	#9
Ed Wright Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sand Springs, OK Posts: 8,132 Likes: 896 Liked 389 Times in 168 Posts	Re: is something wrong with this picture Those specs aren't much more bogus in relation to the initial hp rating than the DPs. In my business I never screwed my regular customers over to attract new ones. In two or three years they may be within a couple of classes where they belong. Like many, but not all DPs. Best we can do is in a heads up is try to push them 1+ under. Even if it means pulling 100 lbs out to do it. Don't weigh round losers, do they? Other than 1st round of class. LOL __________________ Ed Wright 4156 SS/JA

12-04-2011, 03:10 PM	#10
Tom Turner Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Lake Tapps, Washington Posts: 137 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: is something wrong with this picture Ed; It's funny, Dallas (Glenn) and I were discussing this very subject yesterday at the shop. Many things came onto the table including the weight removal but the question I have is " does being found significantly light after a heads up race grounds for and extended NHRA vacation?" I told Dallas that with all the weight out and a 100 shot we still cant run with these guys but I really like the idea of becoming a more formidable chaser and letting the system do the rest, so long as that "vacation" isn't in the mix. Not sure what Dallas thought at the end of the day. He's a traditional young guy; wants to kick everybody's katukkas, kiss the girl, grab the little gold man (and the money) and go kick back with a hot dog and a good internet connection. I think he voted for all the weight out, the 100 shot and possibly a 383.