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GARY WRIGHT · 03-30-2007, 07:51 PM

On hydralic throw-out bearings

03-30-2007, 11:40 PM

What, I don't even get a happy face?
So much I don't know....but if you want my opinion I don't feel they belong on a race clutch in a race car. I'm no engineer either but you could not convince me they would release at a fast enough rate. Why? Because the whole premis is fluid transfering thru holes. Could be wrong though....wouldn't be the first time!

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Ed Carpenter · 03-31-2007, 01:59 AM

I got talked into one for my Chevy II. I was told how great it was going to be. Yes I agree with Jeff the reaction time was slow with it but I guess you could adjust to that.Well it took a s--- at my first race. It over extended the fingers on the clutch and bent the hell out of them. Im in the process of installing the old school linkage as we speak. It also cost around 400.00 to 500.00 dollars when all is said and done with hoses,slave cylinder and stuff. Just my opinion. I have one for sale if interested.

Ed Carpenter

66 Chevy II

4244 SS/H

Bryan Broaddus · 03-31-2007, 12:10 PM

One thing about a hydralic throw out bearing is you could tune the hit of the clutch by limiting the blead down time upon release. This could also be helpful it tuning the reaction time of the car. Or put a line lock in series with it and leave from a button. That should get Jeff worked up!!!

03-31-2007, 12:34 PM

I'm not talking about reaction time, I'm talking about the extra time it takes the clutch disk to disengage from the flywheel surface. If not released immediately, that will allow more time for the disk to slip and it will eventually burn up.
Now if you want the killer vehicle reaction time and not burn up a clutch, I would suspect those electro-magnetic units that hold / release the clutch pedal to the floor would be the ticket. And I'll bet almost any racer would need a delay box at that point. NHRA doesn't allow these units in Stock or Superstock.
But as Bryan wants me to get all hyped up about, you can have an auto transmission with a trans-brake (same concept as the electro-magnetic clutch pedal holder), and a built in delay (either via a long throw switch, hydraulic type switch, both located within driver reach during a run, or you can have a transmission with built in delay devices that are adjustable based on driver reaction time; all possible by varying the bleed down rate of the reverse band of the clutch.
So I'm all ear's as to why NHRA / IHRA doesn't allow the same technology offered auto-trans racers to stick racers? As you can see, the technology is transferable from one transmission type to the other.

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1970 AMC AMX 390
"Best Appearing" @ NHRA '06 Pacific Sports Nationals
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Now celebrating 14 years as a Realtor,
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Bruce Fulper · 04-01-2007, 12:56 AM

One of the winninest bracket racers out here used a delay box hooked to his hyd throw-out bearing. '56 Chevy 4 speed. Guy kicked major *** ALL of the time.

"The less I race the crankier I get..."

03-30-2007, 07:51 PM	#1
GARY WRIGHT Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Lansdale,Pa Posts: 2 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Jeff Lee info On hydralic throw-out bearings

03-31-2007, 01:59 AM	#3
Ed Carpenter Live Reporter Join Date: May 2006 Location: Dripping Springs, Tx Posts: 2,697 Likes: 185 Liked 502 Times in 125 Posts	I got talked into one for my Chevy II. I was told how great it was going to be. Yes I agree with Jeff the reaction time was slow with it but I guess you could adjust to that.Well it took a s--- at my first race. It over extended the fingers on the clutch and bent the hell out of them. Im in the process of installing the old school linkage as we speak. It also cost around 400.00 to 500.00 dollars when all is said and done with hoses,slave cylinder and stuff. Just my opinion. I have one for sale if interested. Ed Carpenter 66 Chevy II 4244 SS/H __________________ Ed Carpenter 2005 Chevy Cobalt A/SM Race Engine Development

03-31-2007, 12:10 PM	#4
Bryan Broaddus Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 100 Likes: 1 Liked 18 Times in 3 Posts	One thing about a hydralic throw out bearing is you could tune the hit of the clutch by limiting the blead down time upon release. This could also be helpful it tuning the reaction time of the car. Or put a line lock in series with it and leave from a button. That should get Jeff worked up!!! __________________ Bryan Broaddus 7568 STK ,SS

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03-30-2007, 11:40 PM	#2
Jeff Lee Guest Posts: n/a	What, I don't even get a happy face? So much I don't know....but if you want my opinion I don't feel they belong on a race clutch in a race car. I'm no engineer either but you could not convince me they would release at a fast enough rate. Why? Because the whole premis is fluid transfering thru holes. Could be wrong though....wouldn't be the first time! NHRA #7494 SS/H 1970 AMC AMX 390 "Best Appearing" @ NHRA '06 Pacific Sports Nationals Arizona's BEST Realtor supports racers! Now celebrating 14 years as a Realtor, Call me @ 602-418-9797 or JeffLeeAzRealty@Qwest.net

03-31-2007, 12:34 PM	#5
Jeff Lee Guest Posts: n/a	I'm not talking about reaction time, I'm talking about the extra time it takes the clutch disk to disengage from the flywheel surface. If not released immediately, that will allow more time for the disk to slip and it will eventually burn up. Now if you want the killer vehicle reaction time and not burn up a clutch, I would suspect those electro-magnetic units that hold / release the clutch pedal to the floor would be the ticket. And I'll bet almost any racer would need a delay box at that point. NHRA doesn't allow these units in Stock or Superstock. But as Bryan wants me to get all hyped up about, you can have an auto transmission with a trans-brake (same concept as the electro-magnetic clutch pedal holder), and a built in delay (either via a long throw switch, hydraulic type switch, both located within driver reach during a run, or you can have a transmission with built in delay devices that are adjustable based on driver reaction time; all possible by varying the bleed down rate of the reverse band of the clutch. So I'm all ear's as to why NHRA / IHRA doesn't allow the same technology offered auto-trans racers to stick racers? As you can see, the technology is transferable from one transmission type to the other. NHRA #7494 SS/H 1970 AMC AMX 390 "Best Appearing" @ NHRA '06 Pacific Sports Nationals Arizona's BEST Realtor supports racers! Now celebrating 14 years as a Realtor, Call me @ 602-418-9797 or JeffLeeAzRealty@Qwest.net

04-01-2007, 12:56 AM	#6
Bruce Fulper Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: So. Cal. Posts: 651 Likes: 4 Liked 54 Times in 33 Posts	One of the winninest bracket racers out here used a delay box hooked to his hyd throw-out bearing. '56 Chevy 4 speed. Guy kicked major *** ALL of the time. "The less I race the crankier I get..."