Connecting Highway - Page 21

Paul Ceasrine · 07-19-2011, 06:44 PM

Hopefully someone will get it correct.

The quarter-million dollar race.
1969,,,,,,,,

The Mutt Brothers (ex S-K Dart)
426 Hemi 4-speed (SS/B)
re-painted black

vs.

Super John 1969 Camaro,,,,,
427 w/tunnel ram,,,an A/MP car.
painted white with red

mike natoli · 07-20-2011, 09:12 AM

I worked for Walter Pfeiffer in the mid 70's Preiffers Automotive who races "Pfeiffers Puffer" 40 Willys and also ran a fast Anglia hilborne injected smallblock in both I think they were c & b gassers. He told us a story that Brodleib Motors did get a Hemi car and they wrecked it right after taking it off the car carrier into a pole on Franklin ave in Woodmere. I'm not quite sure what happened the story gets a little sketchy and the car suddenly dissappeared... they did not know how to tell the Old man Ted Brodleib they also had a Super cars Drag clinic out of that dealer also.

Hemi Moose · 07-20-2011, 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Ceasrine

Hopefully someone will get it correct.

The quarter-million dollar race.
1969,,,,,,,,

The Mutt Brothers (ex S-K Dart)
426 Hemi 4-speed (SS/B)
re-painted black

vs.

Super John 1969 Camaro,,,,,
427 w/tunnel ram,,,an A/MP car.
painted white with red

I find it hard to believe that someone was thinking of lining up a $250,000 street race, I thought you said that there were no big money street races back then and didn't you say earlier that it was all just internet hype. So are any of these stories true about some of these so called big dollar street races then? I don't know what to believe anymore! Sure would like to here about some other street races or stories from other cities too.

Casey Miles · 07-21-2011, 09:19 AM

I was there on the Conduit, when there were races for 10k or better many times. I heard that Paul Gant raced for $160k in one race, but I wasn't there for that one. Paul Gant was a true street racer, when he got the break, he would have his door open, making like he was looking for something, and would leave. The other car never knew what hit him, because if you got the break the the other car didn't leave, it was still a race and you had to pay.
Does anyone remember a Firebird with Pontiac power making a killing, that car was very fast and always got a spot.

Casey Miles
248H Stock?

Paul Ceasrine · 07-21-2011, 12:35 PM

Moose,

That's the Magazine Article that said it was a 'Quarter-Million Dollar Race',,,in late-1968,,,,,,,,,,

I was just getting the specifics correct,,,,as
some say it was in late-1968, or early-1969 or 1970.

It definitely wasn't 1968, as S & K still had the Hemi Dart.
They didn't let ithe Hemi Dart go until early-mid 1969. Right after they got their 69' AMX Super/Stocker

And it wasn't 1970, because the Hemi Dart still was in SS/B.

Did anybody actually see that race between Ron Lyle and
Super John....????

pc

FINESPLINE · 07-21-2011, 02:41 PM

Paul, As far as ' Super John ' is concerned, was his name John Sandoval ? As this person ran out of South Brooklyn and had extremely fast cars in that era. Did run high dollar races !
Another big dollar racers were Eddy ( eyes ) & Freddie Leyte from South Ozone Park and Richmond Hill.----------John

Paul Ceasrine · 07-21-2011, 07:18 PM

Finespline,,,,,,

Super John McFadden
from NYC, New York
one of the Top Black AHRA S/S Drivers in the U.S.A.

Ran a Dick Harrell prepared 69' Camaro
427 cast iron block, with a tunnel ram, w/Carter carburetors.

Car was red and white,,,,,,,,Dick Harrell lettered on door center.
Tunnel ram was a tall unit,,,,,w/rear vent opening,
Early style unit.

The car was a 10.90 car for A/MP in 1969,
but eventually hit 10.25 in 1970.

His car was the challenger against the Mutt Brothers (John and Ron Lyle)
for the supposed quarter-million-dollar/quarter-mile.

That was the street amount of money bet on the one-time race,,,,,
supposedly,,,,,,

If 3000 people attended, and the betting crowd was 50/50,
that means 1500 X 2 race spectators each bet about $75...
Its more than possible,,,,,,,,,

Story goes,,,,,,,,
Super John got the holeshot, and pulled a 1-foot
high, 30 foot wheelie.
Half-way down the Boulevard the Camaro had about a 2-car lead.

Once Ron hit 3rd gear, the Hemi Dart opened up and quickly gobbled up
the distance, and went flying by the Camaro,,,,,,,,winning the race by
a good 2-cars.

Estimates were, of the Dart going about 10.70 @ 130 MPH.
All in SS/B trim,,,,,,,,,

pc

FINESPLINE · 07-21-2011, 08:02 PM

Paul, This probably had to take place somewhere btw 1971- 73 as I would have known more about it . I was too busy in southeast Asia. Damn, missed a hell of a race !----------John

Hemi Moose · 11-19-2011, 07:45 PM

I came across this link on Connecting Highway that talks about some of the old cars & stories from back then...enjoy.

http://www.connectinghighway.com/

SAMATCOTOOLSMAN · 11-20-2011, 08:05 PM

Ed,you made the day for "the zinger" with this post!!!-he thinks "james"was familer with the conduit....no?
Art leong,when zinger saw you refered to "eny" he was crying!
"eny"-east new york,baby...even in red-hook(two words if you from bklyn.,36,ny),bath beach,maspeth....if you said you was from east new york,a brownsville boy,you had no problem.being that the zinger was also from canarsie,he had double coverage.(lol).
Art,remember if a car was stolen...where do you go???.......flatlands& pennsylvania aves.-if no good,go to the lunchenette on livonia....right?-
for some good nostalgia on eny check eny projects on the web.
Ps-red lang of the "dead end kids" fueler team lived in fairfield towers projects,near van sicklen.
For any newark area racers on this site you ever run rt.21(mc carter hwy)the covered hwy-by the dream boat???..joe fasano.....come on,charlie treadwell,levi holmes,the "china-man...
Pauley,(precht)the zinger told me hes comin down to drag that a car of yours out the garage!!!
Love this thread man.....i miss bklyn.

07-19-2011, 06:44 PM	#201
Paul Ceasrine VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,546 Likes: 0 Liked 10 Times in 10 Posts	Re: Connecting Highway Hopefully someone will get it correct. The quarter-million dollar race. 1969,,,,,,,, The Mutt Brothers (ex S-K Dart) 426 Hemi 4-speed (SS/B) re-painted black vs. Super John 1969 Camaro,,,,, 427 w/tunnel ram,,,an A/MP car. painted white with red

07-20-2011, 09:12 AM	#202
mike natoli Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Valley Stream mini Gasoline Alley & Div I Posts: 100 Likes: 25 Liked 52 Times in 16 Posts	Re: Connecting Highway I worked for Walter Pfeiffer in the mid 70's Preiffers Automotive who races "Pfeiffers Puffer" 40 Willys and also ran a fast Anglia hilborne injected smallblock in both I think they were c & b gassers. He told us a story that Brodleib Motors did get a Hemi car and they wrecked it right after taking it off the car carrier into a pole on Franklin ave in Woodmere. I'm not quite sure what happened the story gets a little sketchy and the car suddenly dissappeared... they did not know how to tell the Old man Ted Brodleib they also had a Super cars Drag clinic out of that dealer also.

07-21-2011, 09:19 AM	#204
Casey Miles Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 692 Likes: 119 Liked 445 Times in 83 Posts	Re: Connecting Highway I was there on the Conduit, when there were races for 10k or better many times. I heard that Paul Gant raced for $160k in one race, but I wasn't there for that one. Paul Gant was a true street racer, when he got the break, he would have his door open, making like he was looking for something, and would leave. The other car never knew what hit him, because if you got the break the the other car didn't leave, it was still a race and you had to pay. Does anyone remember a Firebird with Pontiac power making a killing, that car was very fast and always got a spot. Casey Miles 248H Stock? Last edited by Casey Miles; 07-21-2011 at 09:21 AM. Reason: verbage

07-21-2011, 12:35 PM	#205
Paul Ceasrine VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,546 Likes: 0 Liked 10 Times in 10 Posts	Re: Connecting Highway Moose, That's the Magazine Article that said it was a 'Quarter-Million Dollar Race',,,in late-1968,,,,,,,,,, I was just getting the specifics correct,,,,as some say it was in late-1968, or early-1969 or 1970. It definitely wasn't 1968, as S & K still had the Hemi Dart. They didn't let ithe Hemi Dart go until early-mid 1969. Right after they got their 69' AMX Super/Stocker And it wasn't 1970, because the Hemi Dart still was in SS/B. Did anybody actually see that race between Ron Lyle and Super John....???? pc

07-21-2011, 02:41 PM	#206
FINESPLINE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Island of high taxes, N.Y. Posts: 541 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Connecting Highway Paul, As far as ' Super John ' is concerned, was his name John Sandoval ? As this person ran out of South Brooklyn and had extremely fast cars in that era. Did run high dollar races ! Another big dollar racers were Eddy ( eyes ) & Freddie Leyte from South Ozone Park and Richmond Hill.----------John

07-21-2011, 07:18 PM	#207
Paul Ceasrine VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,546 Likes: 0 Liked 10 Times in 10 Posts	Re: Connecting Highway Finespline,,,,,, Super John McFadden from NYC, New York one of the Top Black AHRA S/S Drivers in the U.S.A. Ran a Dick Harrell prepared 69' Camaro 427 cast iron block, with a tunnel ram, w/Carter carburetors. Car was red and white,,,,,,,,Dick Harrell lettered on door center. Tunnel ram was a tall unit,,,,,w/rear vent opening, Early style unit. The car was a 10.90 car for A/MP in 1969, but eventually hit 10.25 in 1970. His car was the challenger against the Mutt Brothers (John and Ron Lyle) for the supposed quarter-million-dollar/quarter-mile. That was the street amount of money bet on the one-time race,,,,, supposedly,,,,,, If 3000 people attended, and the betting crowd was 50/50, that means 1500 X 2 race spectators each bet about $75... Its more than possible,,,,,,,,, Story goes,,,,,,,, Super John got the holeshot, and pulled a 1-foot high, 30 foot wheelie. Half-way down the Boulevard the Camaro had about a 2-car lead. Once Ron hit 3rd gear, the Hemi Dart opened up and quickly gobbled up the distance, and went flying by the Camaro,,,,,,,,winning the race by a good 2-cars. Estimates were, of the Dart going about 10.70 @ 130 MPH. All in SS/B trim,,,,,,,,, pc

07-21-2011, 08:02 PM	#208
FINESPLINE Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Island of high taxes, N.Y. Posts: 541 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: Connecting Highway Paul, This probably had to take place somewhere btw 1971- 73 as I would have known more about it . I was too busy in southeast Asia. Damn, missed a hell of a race !----------John

11-19-2011, 07:45 PM	#209
Hemi Moose VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 2,824 Likes: 0 Liked 10 Times in 10 Posts	Re: Connecting Highway I came across this link on Connecting Highway that talks about some of the old cars & stories from back then...enjoy. http://www.connectinghighway.com/ Last edited by Hemi Moose; 11-19-2011 at 08:00 PM.

11-20-2011, 08:05 PM	#210
SAMATCOTOOLSMAN Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: MIDDLESEX COUNTY,N.J. Posts: 39 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Connecting Highway Ed,you made the day for "the zinger" with this post!!!-he thinks "james"was familer with the conduit....no? Art leong,when zinger saw you refered to "eny" he was crying! "eny"-east new york,baby...even in red-hook(two words if you from bklyn.,36,ny),bath beach,maspeth....if you said you was from east new york,a brownsville boy,you had no problem.being that the zinger was also from canarsie,he had double coverage.(lol). Art,remember if a car was stolen...where do you go???.......flatlands& pennsylvania aves.-if no good,go to the lunchenette on livonia....right?- for some good nostalgia on eny check eny projects on the web. Ps-red lang of the "dead end kids" fueler team lived in fairfield towers projects,near van sicklen. For any newark area racers on this site you ever run rt.21(mc carter hwy)the covered hwy-by the dream boat???..joe fasano.....come on,charlie treadwell,levi holmes,the "china-man... Pauley,(precht)the zinger told me hes comin down to drag that a car of yours out the garage!!! Love this thread man.....i miss bklyn.