GM Releases 2013 bogus HP ratings at PRI show

[5343stk]

I'm starting to realize why I have no ambition to work on our cars or buy any new parts....

I should be saving my money for a new car so I can compete...

[Ed Wright]

Bill "Farmer" Dismuke would have already fixed this.

[NBD MGT]

I looked at some 2012 NHRA results on Drag Race Central and it seems like the classes below CC/S are dominated by older cars in qualifying and eliminations.

Otherwise there is a mixed bag of old & new in the top-10 for overall qualifying and although a few events showed some newer cars in the top 3 in some cases newer cars were well below the top 20.

Is it safe to say that 100% of the time no older cars can possibly run .9 to 1.1 under index in any of the classes below CC/S? That would have to be the case if everyone with a 2007 and older car should give up like some are saying.

I still don't get how the real complaint is new cars with bogus HP ratings when a LOT of the muscle car era engines that nobody complains about were also underrated.

Examples: 427/425. 427/435, and 454/450 Chevys or 427/425 Thunderbolts and 428/335 Cobra Jets.

For sure the bigger & badder Chevy's were underrated by 100 or more HP and so was the 1964 Thunderbolt.

One thing I'd bet on is the newer factory cars will never go 2 to 4 seconds faster than they did when they were new like the older cars do. I'd also bet the newer car engines won't gain as much HP after tweaking as some of the older combinations do.

[TOSTO RACING]

Nhra could make the trigger off the 1/8th mile timers that would make this whole thing catch up with itself pretty fast.. Or anyone caught going 9.06 at 73 mph (example new or old car) gets 10 hp automatically for lifting lol!

[Crew Chief]

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

Bill "Farmer" Dismuke would have already fixed this.

He would have put the cars in FX and let them fight it out heads up. Then we would see how many checkbook racers there would be. Just like any heads up class...a few would dominate and the rest trying to play would be "also rans". (Sounds like SS/AH doesn't it?)

[Crew Chief]

Originally Posted by NBD MGT

IOne thing I'd bet on is the newer factory cars will never go 2 to 4 seconds faster than they did when they were new like the older cars do. I'd also bet the newer car engines won't gain as much HP after tweaking as some of the older combinations do.

They will go faster when it is needed but it will not cost them any money. They will just open the throttle body a little more. They might even need to start opening the secondaries.

[Charley Downing]

Can someone show me in the NHRA rule book where it reads all stk or ss cars should be rated Fairly and equal. All Combos have had there time at the top and ten years from now it will be someone different.

Mark I don't think its disrespect of old cars almost all the racers new and old like the older cars. its more racers wanting to change and always improve with technology. Can you tell me any other sport when old technology is able to compete at the same level with new technology? In NASCAR if you run a five year old motor you get lapped.

[Ed Wright]

Originally Posted by Crew Chief

They will go faster when it is needed but it will not cost them any money. They will just open the throttle body a little more. They might even need to start opening the secondaries.

The keyboard racers haven't been near the finish line hearing the cars shutting off at 1000', several still running nearly a second under, or setting records, with 2 barrels of their 4 barrel throttle bodies disconnected. Also don't know how fast many have gone when running flat out during private test sessions. They only know what they see on DRC. Therefore do not really know what is going on.

[D.Johns]

^^^
And NONE of the old cars have EVER done anything to protect their index.

Some new cars have done that and some old ones have also. Some run flat out both new and old.

But that's not the point is it?

[NBD MGT]

Originally Posted by Ed Wright

The keyboard racers haven't been near the finish line hearing the cars shutting off at 1000', several still running nearly a second under, or setting records, with 2 barrels of their 4 barrel throttle bodies disconnected. Also don't know how fast many have gone when running flat out during private test sessions. They only know what they see on DRC. Therefore do not really know what is going on.

All that actually needs to be seen is what's on DRC since it tells the whole story about qualifying and wins. Why would you care if someone bails at 1,000 feet if they're not the guy in the winner's circle at the end of the day?

With only 2 throttle blades connected? That must be a huge 4-blade throttle body. Here are the records - What class record holder made his run with only 2 throttle blades hooked up?

Quarter-Mile Record Holders

Updated 12/03/2012 Stock Eliminator Class E.T. Speed Date Driver/Car Location AA/S8.89154.1410/15/12Donald Fezell - Du Bois, PA
'08 FordMohnton, PA A/S10.34128.9211/04/12Dennis Alvey - Cornville, AZ
'68 FordLas Vegas, NV B/S10.700.0010/01/12Minimum C/S10.47127.6709/11/12Cameron Chowen - Prince George, BC
'94 ChevyWoodburn, OR D/S10.36126.7503/17/12John Duzac - Covington, LA
'67 ChevyBelle Rose, LA E/S11.00120.3810/15/12Doc Horn - Westville, NJ
'67 PlymouthMohnton, PA F/S11.300.0010/04/10Minimum G/S10.96120.8709/23/12John Hladky - Stuart, NE
'66 ChevyPierre, SD H/S11.500.0010/04/11Minimum I/S11.700.0006/01/10Minimum J/S11.23116.0610/15/11Donnie Beeler - Elizabethtown, KY
'91 ChevroletIndianapolis, IN K/S11.55112.5512/01/12Tommy Turner - Tompkinsville, KY
Gainesville, FL L/S11.74111.6510/22/12Tommy Turner - Tompkinsville, KY
'85 FordIndianapolis, IN M/S11.82113.1809/23/12Don Anderson - Duluth, MN
'85 FordPierre, SD N/S12.450.0010/01/12Minimum O/S12.13107.4804/23/12Gary Summers - Franklin, KY
'85 FordSt. Louis, MO P/S12.850.0006/20/11Minimum Q/S12.9899.9004/30/12William Sempsrott - Franklin, OH
'66 ChevyIndianapolis, IN R/S13.450.0010/04/10Minimum T/S14.200.0005/01/08Minimum U/S14.450.0003/03/09Minimum V/S14.750.0005/01/12Minimum W/S15.900.0010/04/11Minimum AA/SA9.500.0004/09/12Minimum A/SA9.8010/15/12Ken Keir Jr - Dunkirk, MD
'70 ChevyMohnton, PA A/SA130.5511/05/11Keith Lynch - Greenville, OH
'10 DodgeLas Vegas, NV B/SA10.08130.7705/08/12David Ficacci - Whippany, NJ
'69 ChevyAtco, NJ C/SA10.49122.9611/04/12Richard Pauley - Saugus, CA
'68 FordLas Vegas, NV D/SA10.3910/14/11Andrew Hill - Louisville, KY
'70 ChevyIndianapolis, IN D/SA125.7509/24/11Jimmy Ronzello - Rockwood, MI
'12 MustangHebron, OH E/SA10.58123.7610/15/11James Findell - Zimmerman, MN
'73 PlymouthKansas City, MO F/SA10.7305/01/11Mark Lelchook - Foresthill, CA
'69 PlymouthSacramento, CA F/SA0.0004/09/12Minimum
G/SA11.03118.8710/02/11Jami Jones - Vadnais Heights, MN
'86 ChevyKearney, NE H/SA11.1510/15/12Anthony Bongiovanni - Landing, NJ
'10 FordMohnton, PA H/SA118.0309/25/11Ron Mattson - Cloquet, MN
'72 ChevroletPierre, SD I/SA11.800.0010/01/12Minimum J/SA11.37117.6010/15/12Dennis Martins - New Bedford, MA
'86 PontiacMohnton, PA K/SA11.47112.8810/15/12Eugene Monahan - Brockton, MA
'89 PontiacMohnton, PA L/SA12.200.0004/09/12Minimum M/SA12.350.0005/01/12Minimum N/SA12.03109.8310/15/12Patrick Courts Sr - New Iberia, LA
'87 PontiacBaytown, TX O/SA12.18107.7010/22/12Marty Buth - Freeport, IL
'84 FordIndianapolis, IN P/SA12.36106.7111/05/11Jeff Interlicchia - Riverside, CA
'94 FordLas Vegas, NV Q/SA12.8007/23/11Bruce Flodin - Abbottsford, BC
'95 DodgeMission, BC Q/SA99.1207/24/11Robert Salemi - Forestdale, RI
'92 JeepEpping, NH R/SA12.89102.7310/15/12Briane Philbrick - Vineland, ON
'76 ChevyMohnton, PA