What is the correct description of a 60's Jr. stocker. - Page 2

X-TECH MAN · 07-02-2010, 01:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Mark Yacavone

As usual Dwight is right on the money.

I would say the Junior Stock "era " officially ended with the Little Guy Nationals at Suffolk Raceway, at the end of 1971.
Right, Terry?

Yep....When NHRA made all of the neat ole Jr. stockers become Super Stockers it was the end as us old timers know it. Some things were for the better such as a 9 inch slick instead of the 7 inchers and trimming the tires every few runs but when they changed the cam and valve spring rule in 1985 that was the last nail on the coffin.

Jim B · 07-02-2010, 04:28 AM

This is a link to a Hot Rod magazine article that pretty much covers it:

http://www.hotrod.com/whereitbegan/h...ing/index.html

Paul Ceasrine · 07-02-2010, 08:52 AM

So basically, anything not 'Top Stock'
As per 1966. B/Stock and on down.
Hard to imagine a 66' Chevelle SS396/375HP considered as a Junior Stock car.
I just kind of though that the small-block Chevy was the basis for
Junior Stock.
Kind of remember in 1967, the 57' Chevy 283/283HP Fuel Injection
D/Stock car as the base point for some reason.
In 1967, more or less, any car that ran 13.00's and above.
PC

Dick Butler · 07-02-2010, 09:38 AM

Weren"t Jr. Stockers really like H/S on down stick and auto? TERRY?

X-TECH MAN · 07-02-2010, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Dick Butler

Weren"t Jr. Stockers really like H/S on down stick and auto? TERRY?

Usually it was everything below AA/S and down. Some of the tracks around the D.C, area broke it up even more with a "middle stock" and a "little stock" because of the car counts and the influx of NHRA record holders showing up to give the little guys a chance at some $$$. The pay outs were small. Usually around $100 for Jr. stock and $50 to $25 for the other two groups. This was before the bracket racing days.

Paul Ceasrine · 07-02-2010, 10:02 AM

X-Tech,
Right, on the Little Eliminator and Middle-Stock stuff.
Same stuff at Dover in the mid-60s'. If you won your class, for an
additional $5.00, you could enter the Eliminator event. Usually, about a dozen cars or so. Winner would get about $40, Runner-Up $20, on a good Sunday.
Always the late-races, around 5:30 PM or so.
Still think the base for Junior Stock in 1965 was the 57' Chevy 150 Sedan with the 283/283HP Fuelie.
Fell into D/S (11.30-11.88 wt/hp).
1965 - D/S
1966 = E/S
1967 = D/S
1968 = G/S
1969 = H/S
PC

Rich Biebel · 07-02-2010, 10:16 AM

Jr. Stock to my recollection might have been a term used a little but it was really made popular by the magazines that promoted the term I believe.

Stock eliminator was broken into 2 seperate eliminators at my local track. Stock I and Stock II. A to H or something like that was Stock I. There was no AA/S class when I began racing in 1966 or at least I don't recall it being a class by then. A was the top class. Stock II was all the remaining classes. I think this might have led to it being called Top Stock and Jr. Stock at some tracks. They had a lot of cars so splitting the field was common. Once the magazines used the term Jr.Stock.....it caught on.

At some point the term Jr. Stock became very accepted but to me it meant the cars that ran in the "second tier" group. I would never call an A or B stocker a Jr.Stocker.......All you had to do was stand behind one and watch it leave the line on 7" tires.......There was nothing JR about a 427 Biscayne with a 4 speed on 7" tires......or a 396/375 Chevy II with a 4 speed.....

To me the term Jr.Stocker really meant a '55 to '57 Chevy in about 1967-1968.

Dick Butler · 07-02-2010, 10:30 AM

Tri State in Ohio ran a top Stock and Jr. Stock with $50 to winner of Jr. and you sold the trophy back for 15$ more. We had a lot of great Steak dinners after those races. Won 7 out of 8 week ends with the converted Dianna 56 Sedan Delivery. (rained the 8th) Old stories are always the best.

Rich Biebel · 07-02-2010, 11:00 AM

Local tracks here ran Cups or Bucks........You could run cups for class and get just a trophy.....or you could run bucks.....win class and then go into Stock eliminator. Class trophy or cash in bucks was worth 15 or 20 bucks and eliminator win was 75. We almost always won class and won the eliminator a number of times as well. We won a big Stock event one year and it paid something like 175-200 bucks. There were lots of events like that back then that drew in a lot of cars from the surrounding states. I can recall driving to Capitol raceway for a big $$$ stocker event.

pauldilcher · 07-02-2010, 02:52 PM

The last Jr. Stock contested was Nov. 1971 . Ontario Calif.

07-02-2010, 04:28 AM	#12
Jim B Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 100 Likes: 0 Liked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: What is the correct description of a 60's Jr. stocker. This is a link to a Hot Rod magazine article that pretty much covers it: http://www.hotrod.com/whereitbegan/h...ing/index.html

07-02-2010, 08:52 AM	#13
Paul Ceasrine VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,546 Likes: 0 Liked 10 Times in 10 Posts	Re: What is the correct description of a 60's Jr. stocker. So basically, anything not 'Top Stock' As per 1966. B/Stock and on down. Hard to imagine a 66' Chevelle SS396/375HP considered as a Junior Stock car. I just kind of though that the small-block Chevy was the basis for Junior Stock. Kind of remember in 1967, the 57' Chevy 283/283HP Fuel Injection D/Stock car as the base point for some reason. In 1967, more or less, any car that ran 13.00's and above. PC

07-02-2010, 09:38 AM	#14
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,197 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: What is the correct description of a 60's Jr. stocker. Weren"t Jr. Stockers really like H/S on down stick and auto? TERRY?

07-02-2010, 10:02 AM	#16
Paul Ceasrine VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 2,546 Likes: 0 Liked 10 Times in 10 Posts	Re: What is the correct description of a 60's Jr. stocker. X-Tech, Right, on the Little Eliminator and Middle-Stock stuff. Same stuff at Dover in the mid-60s'. If you won your class, for an additional $5.00, you could enter the Eliminator event. Usually, about a dozen cars or so. Winner would get about $40, Runner-Up $20, on a good Sunday. Always the late-races, around 5:30 PM or so. Still think the base for Junior Stock in 1965 was the 57' Chevy 150 Sedan with the 283/283HP Fuelie. Fell into D/S (11.30-11.88 wt/hp). 1965 - D/S 1966 = E/S 1967 = D/S 1968 = G/S 1969 = H/S PC

07-02-2010, 10:16 AM	#17
Rich Biebel VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Northern New Jersey suburbs Posts: 2,275 Likes: 25 Liked 510 Times in 200 Posts	Re: What is the correct description of a 60's Jr. stocker. Jr. Stock to my recollection might have been a term used a little but it was really made popular by the magazines that promoted the term I believe. Stock eliminator was broken into 2 seperate eliminators at my local track. Stock I and Stock II. A to H or something like that was Stock I. There was no AA/S class when I began racing in 1966 or at least I don't recall it being a class by then. A was the top class. Stock II was all the remaining classes. I think this might have led to it being called Top Stock and Jr. Stock at some tracks. They had a lot of cars so splitting the field was common. Once the magazines used the term Jr.Stock.....it caught on. At some point the term Jr. Stock became very accepted but to me it meant the cars that ran in the "second tier" group. I would never call an A or B stocker a Jr.Stocker.......All you had to do was stand behind one and watch it leave the line on 7" tires.......There was nothing JR about a 427 Biscayne with a 4 speed on 7" tires......or a 396/375 Chevy II with a 4 speed..... To me the term Jr.Stocker really meant a '55 to '57 Chevy in about 1967-1968. __________________ Rich Biebel S/C 1479 Last edited by Rich Biebel; 07-02-2010 at 10:27 AM.

07-02-2010, 10:30 AM	#18
Dick Butler VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Richmond Indiana Posts: 1,197 Likes: 5 Liked 32 Times in 19 Posts	Re: What is the correct description of a 60's Jr. stocker. Tri State in Ohio ran a top Stock and Jr. Stock with $50 to winner of Jr. and you sold the trophy back for 15$ more. We had a lot of great Steak dinners after those races. Won 7 out of 8 week ends with the converted Dianna 56 Sedan Delivery. (rained the 8th) Old stories are always the best.

07-02-2010, 11:00 AM	#19
Rich Biebel VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Northern New Jersey suburbs Posts: 2,275 Likes: 25 Liked 510 Times in 200 Posts	Re: What is the correct description of a 60's Jr. stocker. Local tracks here ran Cups or Bucks........You could run cups for class and get just a trophy.....or you could run bucks.....win class and then go into Stock eliminator. Class trophy or cash in bucks was worth 15 or 20 bucks and eliminator win was 75. We almost always won class and won the eliminator a number of times as well. We won a big Stock event one year and it paid something like 175-200 bucks. There were lots of events like that back then that drew in a lot of cars from the surrounding states. I can recall driving to Capitol raceway for a big $$$ stocker event. __________________ Rich Biebel S/C 1479

07-02-2010, 02:52 PM	#20
pauldilcher Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 425 Likes: 1 Liked 53 Times in 9 Posts	Re: What is the correct description of a 60's Jr. stocker. The last Jr. Stock contested was Nov. 1971 . Ontario Calif.