Can't seem to get out of class racing

steve krumlauf · 02-26-2015, 11:40 AM

Ok here is the story I sold my 86 ss firebird that is raced for 17 years in Ss and gt many different engines 283 305 350.Thought I was done than less than two months later I came across a you guessed it a 86 firebird all stock with a worn out 2.8 v6. The rest of the car is in good shape for $250 so yea I bought it lol now here is my question has anyone tried running this combinations with a stick and what class will it run? Any thoughts on this thanks steve

Dwight Southerland · 02-26-2015, 12:18 PM

Go here: www.classracerinfo.com for all the tech info and classification information. Looks like it will run T - U - V

Joe Moore, Bill Drevo and other have run that basic engine in FWD applications in years past in carbureted form. I do not know if anyone has run the FI engine. The '86 has very good flowing heads, lots of compression and there should be a plentiful supply of cheap cores for everthing. Somebody has gotten Ross pistons approved for it, so it must have some potential.

Billy Nees · 02-26-2015, 12:27 PM

There was/is a fellow from Georgia, Norm Griffiths?, that ran one. It was a carbureted 82-3-4 and it was an absolute killer in V with an automatic. I can only imagine that it would be better with a stick.
The early injected 2.8s in RWD were not all that good. They didn't have the high port heads that the FWD cars had.
While we're on the RWD, V6 cars, I always thought that the 91 Firebird with the 3.1 would be a good combo. It has all of the better FWD stuff on it and is rated 5 HP less than the 2.8 and they're all T-U-V cars.

Dwight Southerland · 02-26-2015, 01:14 PM

And an '86 can be made into a '91 with the swing of the magic wand . . .

steve krumlauf · 02-26-2015, 02:01 PM

I guess I didn't say but I'm want to run ss and I checked on your site but couldn't figure the weight out or class. I guess I'm to old knew what class the sbc would be. Thanks to you guys I need the help lol

Dwight Southerland · 02-26-2015, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by steve krumlauf

I guess I didn't say but I'm want to run ss and I checked on your site but couldn't figure the weight out or class. I guess I'm to old knew what class the sbc would be. Thanks to you guys I need the help lol

?? If you need help with the website, please email me. The only SS class for that combination using the original engine is SS/P at 2720 lbs w/driver.

Billy Nees · 02-26-2015, 03:11 PM

Well if you want to run SS then look up an 87 305/205/235. THAT is one bad SS car! And as I recall, it's stick only. It makes SS/K-L-M as a base car or a Formula and gets into SS/N as a Trans-Am.

steve krumlauf · 02-26-2015, 03:42 PM

Thanks guys for the help Billie that's what I ran at the end was the 305 yes a great combo but I guess I'm just wanting to try something different. I'll keep you guys posted as I start this build should be fun

Jim Hawkins · 02-26-2015, 11:19 PM

Yes Steve I tried to quit also but just can't seem to shake this habit! Hard to believe it's been 25 years since I bought your old Camaro. I met the guy you purchased the car from in Topeka last year. He could not believe it still existed!
I still have some old parts around here from that 277" motor you had in the car if you wan't to run old school modified!!

steve krumlauf · 02-27-2015, 12:43 AM

Hey Jim yes it's hard to believe it's been that long and to think I was trying to stop back then I think that the only thing I'm going to give up for now on is the idea that I will stop racing lol I don't think I better try the 277 again trying to do this on a budget. I think I can do the v6 with stocker style suspension small tires and a stick. Maybe I'm crazy but it does sound fun

02-26-2015, 11:40 AM	#1
steve krumlauf Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 36 Likes: 2 Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Can't seem to get out of class racing Ok here is the story I sold my 86 ss firebird that is raced for 17 years in Ss and gt many different engines 283 305 350.Thought I was done than less than two months later I came across a you guessed it a 86 firebird all stock with a worn out 2.8 v6. The rest of the car is in good shape for $250 so yea I bought it lol now here is my question has anyone tried running this combinations with a stick and what class will it run? Any thoughts on this thanks steve

02-26-2015, 12:18 PM	#2
Dwight Southerland VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Arkansas - In the middle of everything. Posts: 1,980 Likes: 53 Liked 724 Times in 177 Posts	Re: Can't seem to get out of class racing Go here: www.classracerinfo.com for all the tech info and classification information. Looks like it will run T - U - V Joe Moore, Bill Drevo and other have run that basic engine in FWD applications in years past in carbureted form. I do not know if anyone has run the FI engine. The '86 has very good flowing heads, lots of compression and there should be a plentiful supply of cheap cores for everthing. Somebody has gotten Ross pistons approved for it, so it must have some potential. __________________

02-26-2015, 12:27 PM	#3
Billy Nees VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: On a hilltop in Pa. Posts: 4,223 Likes: 3,103 Liked 6,791 Times in 1,524 Posts	Re: Can't seem to get out of class racing There was/is a fellow from Georgia, Norm Griffiths?, that ran one. It was a carbureted 82-3-4 and it was an absolute killer in V with an automatic. I can only imagine that it would be better with a stick. The early injected 2.8s in RWD were not all that good. They didn't have the high port heads that the FWD cars had. While we're on the RWD, V6 cars, I always thought that the 91 Firebird with the 3.1 would be a good combo. It has all of the better FWD stuff on it and is rated 5 HP less than the 2.8 and they're all T-U-V cars. __________________ Billy Nees 1188 STK, SS World's greatest Under-Achiever!

02-26-2015, 01:14 PM	#4
Dwight Southerland VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Arkansas - In the middle of everything. Posts: 1,980 Likes: 53 Liked 724 Times in 177 Posts	Re: Can't seem to get out of class racing And an '86 can be made into a '91 with the swing of the magic wand . . . __________________

02-26-2015, 02:01 PM	#5
steve krumlauf Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 36 Likes: 2 Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Can't seem to get out of class racing I guess I didn't say but I'm want to run ss and I checked on your site but couldn't figure the weight out or class. I guess I'm to old knew what class the sbc would be. Thanks to you guys I need the help lol

02-26-2015, 03:11 PM	#7
Billy Nees VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: On a hilltop in Pa. Posts: 4,223 Likes: 3,103 Liked 6,791 Times in 1,524 Posts	Re: Can't seem to get out of class racing Well if you want to run SS then look up an 87 305/205/235. THAT is one bad SS car! And as I recall, it's stick only. It makes SS/K-L-M as a base car or a Formula and gets into SS/N as a Trans-Am. __________________ Billy Nees 1188 STK, SS World's greatest Under-Achiever!

02-26-2015, 03:42 PM	#8
steve krumlauf Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 36 Likes: 2 Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Can't seem to get out of class racing Thanks guys for the help Billie that's what I ran at the end was the 305 yes a great combo but I guess I'm just wanting to try something different. I'll keep you guys posted as I start this build should be fun

02-26-2015, 11:19 PM	#9
Jim Hawkins Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 186 Likes: 82 Liked 109 Times in 32 Posts	Re: Can't seem to get out of class racing Yes Steve I tried to quit also but just can't seem to shake this habit! Hard to believe it's been 25 years since I bought your old Camaro. I met the guy you purchased the car from in Topeka last year. He could not believe it still existed! I still have some old parts around here from that 277" motor you had in the car if you wan't to run old school modified!!

02-27-2015, 12:43 AM	#10
steve krumlauf Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 36 Likes: 2 Liked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: Can't seem to get out of class racing Hey Jim yes it's hard to believe it's been that long and to think I was trying to stop back then I think that the only thing I'm going to give up for now on is the idea that I will stop racing lol I don't think I better try the 277 again trying to do this on a budget. I think I can do the v6 with stocker style suspension small tires and a stick. Maybe I'm crazy but it does sound fun