Glad I sold my stocker---(not really) - Page 2

Dwight Southerland · 06-22-2007, 03:47 PM

Stock/Super Stock future will not be found in "NHRA Pro Racing", it will be found in "NHRA". (Or other sportsman-promoting organizations.) Considering the new deal is a for-profit entity, and that sportsman racing has generated 20% of the revenue but cost 80% of the management expense for the last 15 years, what do you think their business strategy will be? This is not rocket science, this is math.

The best that sportsman racers can do is change the climate of sportsman racing to be one of promotion, fun-excitement, and co-operation. Maybe some new racing programs that will have more crowd appeal would help. (Thanks Dick, Dave Ley, Pat, the U/SA guys and others who have shown some spark there!) There will be no future jousting with windmills or destroying the sandbox.

Chip THELEGEND Johnson · 06-22-2007, 06:10 PM

IHRA

Chip Johnson

BPotts · 06-22-2007, 07:06 PM

I smell a rat..... It's been a few year but best I remember Billy Meyer tried something like this when he bought IHRA out sweveral years ago. We all know how that turned out. IHRA is finally making a come back and it may be just in time.

Michael Nero · 06-22-2007, 10:53 PM

Michael Nero

So what about a scenerio, not under NHRA, where there are the division style races and the national events replaced with sportsman only all run big payout events.

Dwight Southerland · 06-23-2007, 10:25 AM

Michael -

Big payout events with prestige are necessary (it's not only about money, otherwise we would all be just bracket racing). More frequent local events are also necessary to build the desire and vision for particpating and winning the big ones. Also, the exposure and appetite for class-racing needs to be kindled at the basic grassroots level for the spectators to attend.

Alan Roehrich · 06-23-2007, 10:27 AM

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Big payout events with prestige are necessary (it's not only about money, otherwise we would all be just bracket racing). More frequent local events are also necessary to build the desire and vision for participating and winning the big ones. Also, the exposure and appetite for class-racing needs to be kindled at the basic grassroots level for the spectators to attend.

The truth, if it has ever been written.

Alan Roehrich

Bring "AA" classes to NHRA Stock Eliminator!

Myron Piatek · 06-23-2007, 01:02 PM

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Big payout events with prestige are necessary (it's not only about money, otherwise we would all be just bracket racing). More frequent local events are also necessary to build the desire and vision for participating and winning the big ones. Also, the exposure and appetite for class-racing needs to be kindled at the basic grassroots level for the spectators to attend.

The truth, if it has ever been written.

Alan Roehrich

Bring "AA" classes to NHRA Stock Eliminator!

If the "Big payout events with prestige" are NHRA national events, then the writing is already on the wall that it will likely, eventually, be a significantly reduced field with only "select" sportsman that can afford the time and money to attend! Most sportsman racers will be limited to regional/divisional events, which is already happening because of fuel, entry fees, length of events, etc.

There are MANY more people with the desire and competiveness to go to national events than there are those who can afford to go.

Any other NHRA "Big payout events with prestige" would have to be built from scratch. (Unless you count "Sportsnationals"-type events.) I, for one, wouldn't mind trying to race in NHRA also. But tack on at least a day or two to the schedule with the associated expenses, as compared to IHRA events, and the idea is not doable at any serious level.

Locomotion Racing
http://www.geocities.com/locomotionracing

Dwight Southerland · 06-23-2007, 02:15 PM

Myron -

I was not necessaerily referring to the NHRA national events as we have known. The new NHRA could easily build a structure to take the national level focus of sportsman championships out of the current national event venue (since they don't own them any more) and build a structure that focuses on a series of Sportsnational type events. then you find that the NHRA Pro Racing national events are just big events with some prestige and prize, but the real championship is found in the sportsman based events. For example, if the points you earned at sportsman based national events were twice as valueable toward a championship as NHRA Pro Racing events, then the sportsman based events quickly become the focus and prestige.

IHRA is positioned well at this point for Stock/SS racers.

Myron Piatek · 06-23-2007, 02:27 PM

Dwight,

I understand. Hopefully there wouldn't be any type of "no compete" clause in the contract. That "legal stuff" can get pretty complicated.

And I agree, IHRA is in a good position to take advantage of the uncertainties in the sportsman segment of the sport. There are already many NHRA cross-overs.

Locomotion Racing
http://www.geocities.com/locomotionracing

STOCK1278 · 09-11-2008, 08:10 PM

I'm glad you sold your stocker! LOL It's been a great car for me. Best Appearing Lebanon Valley Divisional 2008 and #7 Qualifier at Cecil County Divisional 2008

06-22-2007, 03:47 PM	#11
Dwight Southerland VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Arkansas - In the middle of everything. Posts: 1,980 Likes: 53 Liked 724 Times in 177 Posts	Stock/Super Stock future will not be found in "NHRA Pro Racing", it will be found in "NHRA". (Or other sportsman-promoting organizations.) Considering the new deal is a for-profit entity, and that sportsman racing has generated 20% of the revenue but cost 80% of the management expense for the last 15 years, what do you think their business strategy will be? This is not rocket science, this is math. The best that sportsman racers can do is change the climate of sportsman racing to be one of promotion, fun-excitement, and co-operation. Maybe some new racing programs that will have more crowd appeal would help. (Thanks Dick, Dave Ley, Pat, the U/SA guys and others who have shown some spark there!) There will be no future jousting with windmills or destroying the sandbox. __________________

06-22-2007, 07:06 PM	#13
BPotts Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Alpharetta, GA Posts: 83 Likes: 30 Liked 12 Times in 2 Posts	I smell a rat..... It's been a few year but best I remember Billy Meyer tried something like this when he bought IHRA out sweveral years ago. We all know how that turned out. IHRA is finally making a come back and it may be just in time. __________________ Ben Potts SS/CS 254

06-23-2007, 10:25 AM	#15
Dwight Southerland VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Arkansas - In the middle of everything. Posts: 1,980 Likes: 53 Liked 724 Times in 177 Posts	Michael - Big payout events with prestige are necessary (it's not only about money, otherwise we would all be just bracket racing). More frequent local events are also necessary to build the desire and vision for particpating and winning the big ones. Also, the exposure and appetite for class-racing needs to be kindled at the basic grassroots level for the spectators to attend. __________________

06-23-2007, 02:15 PM	#18
Dwight Southerland VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Arkansas - In the middle of everything. Posts: 1,980 Likes: 53 Liked 724 Times in 177 Posts	Myron - I was not necessaerily referring to the NHRA national events as we have known. The new NHRA could easily build a structure to take the national level focus of sportsman championships out of the current national event venue (since they don't own them any more) and build a structure that focuses on a series of Sportsnational type events. then you find that the NHRA Pro Racing national events are just big events with some prestige and prize, but the real championship is found in the sportsman based events. For example, if the points you earned at sportsman based national events were twice as valueable toward a championship as NHRA Pro Racing events, then the sportsman based events quickly become the focus and prestige. IHRA is positioned well at this point for Stock/SS racers. __________________

06-23-2007, 02:27 PM	#19
Myron Piatek VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Florida Posts: 1,538 Likes: 34 Liked 132 Times in 48 Posts	Dwight, I understand. Hopefully there wouldn't be any type of "no compete" clause in the contract. That "legal stuff" can get pretty complicated. And I agree, IHRA is in a good position to take advantage of the uncertainties in the sportsman segment of the sport. There are already many NHRA cross-overs. Locomotion Racing http://www.geocities.com/locomotionracing __________________ LOCOMOTION Racing

06-22-2007, 06:10 PM	#12
Chip THELEGEND Johnson Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 284 Likes: 223 Liked 280 Times in 79 Posts	IHRA Chip Johnson

06-22-2007, 10:53 PM	#14
Michael Nero Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 1 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Michael Nero So what about a scenerio, not under NHRA, where there are the division style races and the national events replaced with sportsman only all run big payout events.

09-11-2008, 08:10 PM	#20
STOCK1278 Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: New Windsor, NY Posts: 43 Likes: 0 Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: Glad I sold my stocker---(not really) I'm glad you sold your stocker! LOL It's been a great car for me. Best Appearing Lebanon Valley Divisional 2008 and #7 Qualifier at Cecil County Divisional 2008 Attached Thumbnails __________________ Jason M Silver NHRA Stock Eliminator - 1278 88 Oldsmobile Cutlass 307/213